Pro Defense Firearms in Redlands

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by wronged

Yes the latter applies. I have a R.O. against me and have had my firearms in storage since it was filed. However the firearms are being stored via a 4 month contract, which came up for renewal. When I went to renew for a another 4 months the pawn shop tells me they are having issues with their FFL and will no longer be able to store my firearms. Fine, I will have them transfered. They tell me they cannot and showed me a DOJ paper with laws from 1996!!!??.Anyways, anyone ever heard of this?
The local police dept believes they are stalling and have already sold my firearms.

We're a CCW board and it sounds like you'll need the help of your attorney to straighten things out. You’re not allowed to own, possess, purchase or receive firearms for the duration of your R.O. Good luck.

[akulahawk]

This is what you're going to run into problems with...

(3) The Judicial Council shall provide notice on all protective
orders that the respondent is prohibited from owning, possessing,
purchasing, receiving, or attempting to purchase or receive a firearm
while the protective order is in effect. The order shall also state
that the firearm shall be relinquished to the local law enforcement
agency for that jurisdiction or sold to a licensed gun dealer, and
that proof of surrender or sale shall be filed within a specified
time of receipt of the order. The order shall state the penalties for
a violation of the prohibition. The order shall also state on its
face the expiration date for relinquishment.

If the pawnshop has sold those firearms instead of storing them as per contract, you may have some cause of action against them for breach of contract, but the law states that you had to either relinquish them to Law Enforcement or sell them to a dealer. I don't know if you'll get anywhere though.

[GreatScott]

Just thought I'd chime in again here. I am the original author of this thread which I wrote shortly after purchasing a pistol from Pro Defense Firearms...............well, long story short.....I purchased a little .22 pistol for my wife 22 days ago and still don't have possession of the gun due to confusion over the proper waiting period between purchase dates. Basicly Pro Defense Firearms dropped the ball, and I will be presenting my wife with a receipt for her new Walther P22 on her birthday instead of the the actual gun which I could have legally had in my possession like 10 or 11 days ago. BUT, the guy who runs the shop (not sure if it's you Greg) says he will make it up to me by refunding some of his profit plus the $25 dealer fee. I was already getting a good price on the gun so I think this is fair. If they make good on their word, I would not hesitate to become a return customer. I'll keep you all posted.

[GreatScott]

Picked up the P22 the other day. They refunded me the dealer fee which I used to buy a Glock 26 mag. I'm happy with the way they handled their screw up. I would do business with them again.............

[OCRancher]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like they are handling things well over at yoru dealer.

[safe carry]

Would this be considered an illegal straw purchase?

[GreatScott]

By "buying it for her" I meant that it was purchased specifically as a tool to teach her the fundamentals of shooting. Her actual birthday present was a trip to Vegas last weekend. It will be in my safe and it will be cleaned and maintained by me. She has tried shooting my glock and my .38 special but gets freaked out by the recoil so she asked me if I could purchase a new gun that would be easier "for her" to learn with. So it's just something special I did for her birthday to include her in one of my favorite activities. I would otherwise have no use for a .22. Hopefully she will want me to teach her how to shoot a Kimber Ultra CDP next I told the dealer straight out that I was buying it to teach my wife to shoot. Last time I checked that's not a straw purchase.

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

By "buying it for her" I meant that it was purchased specifically as a tool to teach her the fundamentals of shooting. Her actual birthday present was a trip to Vegas last weekend. It will be in my safe and it will be cleaned and maintained by me. She has tried shooting my glock and my .38 special but gets freaked out by the recoil so she asked me if I could purchase a new gun that would be easier "for her" to learn with. So it's just something special I did for her birthday to include her in one of my favorite activities. I would otherwise have no use for a .22. Hopefully she will want me to teach her how to shoot a Kimber Ultra CDP next I told the dealer straight out that I was buying it to teach my wife to shoot. Last time I checked that's not a straw purchase.

Good choice for ladies .. I had one for a few years ago that I used to teach girls I dated. I have since gotten married, but "all" of the past girls are now much more gun-friendly..... just not "nik-friendly" if you know what I mean. I did my service to society by enlightening the ladies with proper handling and expanded their horizon to firearms.

[38special]

Originally Posted by Brian1979

Actualyl the huge pit bull with a spike collar that greets you and checks to see if you are welcome is a bit more character to the shop, lol.

I stood still a minute until he let me enter after I passed the sniff test and nearly wet my pants.

Sounds like the good old days at Wilson's with his German Short-hairs running around the shop area.

[38special]

Originally Posted by safe carry

Would this be considered an illegal straw purchase?

My husband bought me a .38 Special for a birthday gift a few years and the I bought him a Glock 9mm for Easter the following year. The dealer knew they were gifts at the time of purchase.
Both of which are listed on MY CCW.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by 38special

My husband bought me a .38 Special for a birthday gift a few years and the I bought him a Glock 9mm for Easter the following year. The dealer knew they were gifts at the time of purchase.
Both of which are listed on MY CCW.

And both of those were illegal straw purchases.

On the BATF&E web site "Don't lie for the other guy" first scenario is yours. Dealer tells the husband to buy a gift certificate to keep it legal.

[SoCal Blonde]

Pro Defensive in Redlands has gone sour...

My boss paid him over a $1000 and never got his, has been back so many times to only find the door locked with nobody there (or answering because they have a camera and can choose who to let in) and now they're being evicted in a day or two. The owner, Steve, doesn't return phone calls or emails either. He's pretty slimy.

Plus, I know of another raw deal in which he owes another guy 10x that amount. Apparently, Steve made deals that he never delivered on and probably never had any intention of doing. He seems like such a nice guy but that's all an act.

BEWARE. If you have any business left to transact with this loser, good luck. If you know how to find him, please post or let me know.

[paul0660]

Holy necropost Batman! .......always wanted to say that.

BTW a

A straw purchase is an illegal firearm purchase where the actual buyer of the gun, being unable to pass the required federal background check or desiring to not have his or her name associated with the transaction, uses a proxy buyer who can pass the required background check to purchase the firearm for him/her. It is highly illegal and punishable by a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison.

So, buying a gun as a gift for someone to whom it will eventually be transferred (or perhaps loaned for the statutory time period) who the original buyer fully expects to be qualified, is not a straw purchase. Long guns can be literally handed to the recipient, handguns should be registered using http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf ..........which can be used for vertical transferring, (son to dad, granddad, etc, spouses, and EVEN registered domestic partners.)

[ITGeekRD]

I hate to make a post such as this but I do not recommend this place. I bought an AR15 lower from them and it's been 90 days since I made my purchase and 45 days of it the business has been closed at one point sighting family emergency. Should this place reopen I would not recommend you do business with them. I can not get a phone call, email, or any other communication attempt returned.

If you know the owners or if the owner is still on the sight please feel free to PM me.

[CalCCW03]

Originally Posted by ITGeekRD

I hate to make a post such as this but I do not recommend this place. I bought an AR15 lower from them and it's been 90 days since I made my purchase and 45 days of it the business has been closed at one point sighting family emergency. Should this place reopen I would not recommend you do business with them. I can not get a phone call, email, or any other communication attempt returned.

If you know the owners or if the owner is still on the sight please feel free to PM me.

You may want to contact the Better Business Bureau