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[Tom98915]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

It definitely makes sense to grab something you're familiar with in a stressful situation.

True, but there is no 2-legged critter on this planet smaller than a Kodiak bear that you can't knock down with 12ga slugs. That's almost 500 grains of lead going 1500fps. It wouldn't even have to punch a hole in body armor. The force of impact alone with do plenty of internal damage to any human being.

[Beechcraftpilot]

very True

Slugs hurt when you shootem can't imagine being on the receiving end.

[Scout]

Of the friearms I have.....I'd have to say I purchased at least 70% of them from B&B.....

They were very customer oriented and I enjoyed doing business with them...

[Renshai]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

Oh yes, the 'Hog. I don't know a single infantryman who wouldn't want their own personal A-10 or Spectre guardian angel hovering around all the time. They kick ass

Have some experience with Spooky and Man oh man....Glad they are on our side...Best defoliant ever...LOL

[Renshai]

And again, after seeing and using the 5.56 a LOT, I have absolutely 0 confidence of tis actual fight stopping ability in the hands of someone that isn't VERY well trained in using it, and MOST LEO's just arent. They DON"T get as much training on it as you might think, and giving patrol officers AR's and expecting anything out of it was wishful thinking at best, and with the extent of the body armor they were wearing probably wouldn't have made any difference. Not enough weight in the bullet to carry the kinetic energy necessary for defeating multiple layers of body armor. A II-A? probably would go through, but III-a or III and certainly IV, no chance. AND even if ti did go through, without absolutely fantastic shot placement and multiple rounds going through, probably woudl have just made the shooter a new target for them. Notice they knew they woudl be going up against cops who wear body armor and notice the weapon selection.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by Renshai

A II-A? probably would go through, but III-a or III and certainly IV, no chance.

With the exception of NIJ Level IV, please provide documentation to support your standing.

[Renshai]

Originally Posted by 45 ACP

With the exception of NIJ Level IV, please provide documentation to support your standing.

Bad post...Got all carried away on the 5.56 Kool Aid...LOL

MEANT to say II-a, definitly, zip right on through, III-a and III Maybe, and IV, definitely not. My bad on the IIIa and III, Most of those will not completely stop a .223 or 5.56 for sure....Unless of course we're talking Dragon skin, then well, out of luck...

The real point being, even if it did, 1-2-3-4 rounds unless its right dead center mass, probably wouldn't have stopped the fight anyway....

[paul0660]

I have watched the NoHo shootout video several times, and wonder if a geezer headed to BLM with his Mosin and some 1950's ammo could have stopped the whole thing quick.

[PHM]

Originally Posted by Renshai

Bad post...Got all carried away on the 5.56 Kool Aid...LOL

MEANT to say II-a, definitly, zip right on through, III-a and III Maybe, and IV, definitely not. My bad on the IIIa and III, Most of those will not completely stop a .223 or 5.56 for sure....Unless of course we're talking Dragon skin, then well, out of luck...

The real point being, even if it did, 1-2-3-4 rounds unless its right dead center mass, probably wouldn't have stopped the fight anyway....

My level IIIa second chance vest says right on it that it's not designed to stop 5.56, 308 etc. The trauma plate on it says it too.

[Sidekick]

Wow...really brought back some memories about B&B....
I remember in 1979 or 1980 driving over to their FIRST location on Cumpston....an attendant behind the counter named Steve seriously helped to further my interest in firearms...very knowledgeable, good guy. Bought many guns from him over the years...wish I had kept them all. When they moved to the big location...WOW! It was like Disneyland! Taking a number to wait for service was a GOOD thing, an excuse to look around even MORE! Got to go into the back ONE time to speak with the gunsmith behind the two-way glass just behind the registers...they showed me their loaded shotguns, the racks of guns, etc. etc. etc. One of the owners always had a Corvette parked right outside the door to the west of the building. The story I heard of the B&B demise is similar...brotherly fight.

[Renshai]

Originally Posted by PHM

My level IIIa second chance vest says right on it that it's not designed to stop 5.56, 308 etc. The trauma plate on it says it too.

The Trauma plate says it's not designed to stop 5.56 or .308? It was my understanding that was what trauma plates were for, to stop rifle rounds. Am I wrong on that?

[spc]

Originally Posted by Renshai

The Trauma plate says it's not designed to stop 5.56 or .308? It was my understanding that was what trauma plates were for, to stop rifle rounds. Am I wrong on that?

My thoughts exactly.

spc

[PHM]

Originally Posted by Renshai

The Trauma plate says it's not designed to stop 5.56 or .308? It was my understanding that was what trauma plates were for, to stop rifle rounds. Am I wrong on that?

Originally Posted by spc

My thoughts exactly.

spc

No it's not it says right on it that it's not. The intended purpose is to stop armor piercing handgun rounds, not rifle rounds, and to also dissipate the enegry of a round over a larger area of the body to minimize damage.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by PHM

No it's not it says right on it that it's not. The intended purpose is to stop armor piercing handgun rounds, not rifle rounds, and to also dissipate the enegry of a round over a larger area of the body to minimize damage.

AP handgun rounds? Which ones would those be?

[PHM]

Originally Posted by 45 ACP

AP handgun rounds? Which ones would those be?