B & B Gun Sales

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by 1buba

Or maybe they just went with their training? You know, kind of like the LEO that was found shot, but had put all the empty brass in his pocket like he had done at the range? Not a slap, I'm just thinking that due to the stressful situation, maybe that was what happened.

It definitely makes sense to grab something you're familiar with in a stressful situation.

[CCWInstructor]

I know the whole story, none of the details listed here are correct. I'm not going to post the story on a public site.

Bob and Barry split the partnership. The storage charges were legal per DOJ. The paperwork violations were very small and had nothing to do with the stores closing.

[Bombard]

I hate to see any small business close, even if it's someplace I've never had occasion to frequent.

100 times worse when it's a place I like and do business with, and 10,000 times worse when it's a rare and endangered place.

Cliff's Gunsmithing was a mess. But I truly hated to see him close.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by NikNak

I still can't believe they didn't take shotguns with slugs, or the 460 Weatherby instead of the puny ARs....

Maybe it's because it's easier to shoot an AR-15 more accurately compared to a 460Wby or a 870 with slugs.

When your threat is completely covered in body armor except for the head and is roaming around a heavily populated area, shot placement is even more important.

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by NikNak

I still can't believe they didn't take shotguns with slugs, or the 460 Weatherby instead of the puny ARs....

Penetration has never been a problem with an AR. Well, that's not true. Lack of penetration has never been a problem.

Have to keep in mine the AR-15/ 5.56mm round was designed to be an accurate target rifle for the Air Force before it was ever adopted for anything else. Then the thinking was that a wounded soldier is a bigger drain on enemy resources (it really is) than a dead one so it was never changed.

Of course, that's only true if you're fighting an enemy who actually makes an effort to keep it's soldiers alive. When fighting against individuals with no body armor and who would rather die trying than stop when wounded, the 5.56mm isn't the best tool for the job.

My personal opinion is that 6.8 SPC is a FAR better round but it's just so damn expensive.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

Penetration has never been a problem with an AR. Well, that's not true. Lack of penetration has never been a problem.

Have to keep in mine the AR-15/ 5.56mm round was designed to be an accurate target rifle for the Air Force before it was ever adopted for anything else. Then the thinking was that a wounded soldier is a bigger drain on enemy resources (it really is) than a dead one so it was never changed.

Of course, that's only true if you're fighting an enemy who actually makes an effort to keep it's soldiers alive. When fighting against individuals with no body armor and who would rather die trying than stop when wounded, the 5.56mm isn't the best tool for the job.

My personal opinion is that 6.8 SPC is a FAR better round but it's just so damn expensive.

Sorry...I have to go with the A-10 Warthog.

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Sorry...I have to go with the A-10 Warthog.

Oh yes, the 'Hog. I don't know a single infantryman who wouldn't want their own personal A-10 or Spectre guardian angel hovering around all the time. They kick ass

[hbliam]

Last I checked the NoHo shootout was ended by A) one of the suspects shooting himself in the head, and B) SWAT officers with LAPD weapons shooting the other one (who bled out). Doesn't really matter what B&B supplied. It was cool that they did it, but didn't matter either way.

[cksh8me]

None of the firearms from B&B ever made it to the shootout it was over before they got there.

B&B did get alot of grief from the DOJ because of it.

None of the paperwork problems had anything to do with their downfall. Part of it had to do with the more restrictive firearms laws cut down on their income but that was a very small part. The rest of the story well they're closed so it doesn't really matter.

[blankcheck]

Yes, I agree B&B was the best! I now have to say that Ade's in Orange is the best dealer.

[sholling]

They were a great shop. I got my Mini-14 from them and something else but I forget what.

[X-ffdo]

Their choice of weapons was limited by their knowledge!

[THaves]

Originally Posted by JandJDude

Penetration has never been a problem with an AR. Well, that's not true. Lack of penetration has never been a problem.

Have to keep in mine the AR-15/ 5.56mm round was designed to be an accurate target rifle for the Air Force before it was ever adopted for anything else. Then the thinking was that a wounded soldier is a bigger drain on enemy resources (it really is) than a dead one so it was never changed.

Of course, that's only true if you're fighting an enemy who actually makes an effort to keep it's soldiers alive. When fighting against individuals with no body armor and who would rather die trying than stop when wounded, the 5.56mm isn't the best tool for the job.

My personal opinion is that 6.8 SPC is a FAR better round but it's just so damn expensive.

You are correct it is not the penetration it is the fragmantation.

[chuckE]

Damn, I think I got my first gun from B & B in Westminster - Colt 1911.