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Old 07-19-2008, 08:26 PM
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I also had the pleasure of participating in the PRISM class today. I am not quite sure how to put this experience into words... If you have the opportunity, you owe it to yourself to attend. This class is nothing short of amazing.

I was amazed at just how condition white I was. The very first scenario was such an eye opener... I just couldn't believe how little attention I was paying to the situation, even after reading other's experiences here and after Greg explained to the group what kind of questions he would be asking. When tunnel vision sets in you don't realize it.

Like other's have said, going to the range regularly is very important. But is is only one step on the path. Marksmanship and muscle memory are just tools in the shed though unless you have the mental preparation to use them. I realized that today.

So Greg, when is the next class?
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Old 07-19-2008, 08:43 PM
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It was nice to meet our fellow members today. I have to say that Greg's trailer ang his training are awesome. I was so into the scenarios that I was shaking and had sweaty palms after my time was up.

One word of advice is not to wear sandals. Thank you FI for all the love.
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:25 AM
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Excellent training experience.
See my comments here: http://www.calccw.com/Forums/trainin...html#post77788
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Old 07-20-2008, 05:29 PM
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I attended CCWInstructor's PRISim Simulator Training today. Let me just say this, when I say its a Simulator...I say its as real is it gets. In the heat of the moment I am in these scenario's. My body and my mind does NOT think its a simulator, it reacts as if its REAL. This is real life training and a must for CCW Holders. What I learned today could not be taught any other way except a real life situation "simulator". This is a real eye opener and makes you THINK in fractions of a second. This training will most likely save my life one day if I am EVER in a situation.

I will be taking this training again. If one has a chance, TAKE IT!

Thank you CCWI for the opportunity!

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Old 07-20-2008, 05:33 PM
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Thank you all for your kind words.

Simulator = Stimulator.

Theses scenarios stimulate the brain. The brain is your most important weapon.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:12 PM
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I took the PRISim class today.

I'm 48 years old, and I've been shooting since Johnson was President. I placed in the Steel Challenge when I was 14, I was on the staff at the shooting range at the 84 Olympics.

Todays class reminded me of how much I have to learn. I will be back.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:28 PM
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I also had the wonderful opportunity to train in the CCWI's PRISim. It is hard to put words to the experience. It is as real as it gets! Not only do you run your own scenarios. But you get to watch your fellow classmates in the comfort of an air conditioned trailer.

After every scenario that was run we all had the opportunity to discuss what we just saw....or in a lot of cases SHOULD have seen. Rational for why the active participant acted in the fashion they did. Then what the spectators might do.

But the pressure really comes when you line up against the simulator. Only way I can explain it is being in the eye of a hurricane. Sensory overload. Fighting tunnel vision and auditory shutdown. You decide shoot don't shoot. Crazy twists at every turn!! You can not take anything for granted or drop your guard for a split second.

This is a session I will never forget. I was still learning from it even as I drove home and thought through the scenarios. Not only mine but others. Wow what would/should I have done??

Awesome!!!!

Thanks CCWI for opening this opportunity to the everyday ordinary CCW holder. Also special thanks to Female Instructor!
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:35 PM
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All I can say is simulator training gives you true-life scenarios that keep you thinking, shoot or no-shoot. It prepares you by looking at hand movement at the same time resisting tunnel vision. The post-scenario debrief helped the student analyze what occurred, or could of occurred, due to the students actions or inactions. Shot placement and proper use of cover was also analyzed. Overall it is a great training tool. Glad to have participated and looking for recurrent training in the near future.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:05 AM
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Anyone else that was at training yesterday have trouble sleeping last night? Scenarios kept manifesting themselves when I was trying to go to sleep, and even in my dreams. And it wasn't just the scenarios in which I was the active responder. This is the third time I have been through PRISM training, and I learn more each time. This training doesn't just challenge your shooting skills. It challenges your powers of observation, your situational awareness, and, deep down, your morals and ethics. We may know how we would like to react, and we may think we know how we actually would react, but until you are in the situation, you don't really know. I still have work to do regarding use of cover and slicing the pie, but I am comfortable with the moral and ethical challenges and decisions that I have faced and made during this training. I highly recommend it for everyone who has made the personal decision to go through life prepared to defend themselves.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:58 AM
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The value of this training can not be stressed enough.
Nothing like seeing how you react under stress and large amounts of adrenalin pumping through your system. Yes, it is THAT good.
Can't wait for my next turn to screw up...
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:56 AM
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The value of this training can not be stressed enough.
Nothing like seeing how you react under stress and large amounts of adrenalin pumping through your system. Yes, it is THAT good.
Can't wait for my next turn to screw up...
Even after having taken this class before, it still had the same effect on me.
To echo Glock32, "Yes, it is THAT good." The scenarios may have been similar, but they were in NO way "the same". Very well worth the cost and time!
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I have no reluctance to cop to it: I was shaking visibly for quite some time...

To the entire trailer gang today: Thank you for an absolutely unique learning experience!
I probably learned as much today as all previous classes and training put together.
I'm very sorry to miss the after-action won-tons, but considering what I did, I really did have to get back to my son...

And to FI: I promise not to be nasty any more...
I went to bed last eve with mind still half numb, after watching son fly away from LAX.
Long sleep, no memorable dreams.
But I'm still stuck back in that first scenario, completely preoccupied.
I'm sure RD can relate.

CCWI, FI, and colleagues-of-The-PRISim: thank you for training with me yesterday.

And for memories that will stick for a very long time...
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I too attended the Saturday 7/19 PRISim Training. Here are my thoughts…

What it is:

A computer/video simulation where you stand in front of an 8x8 screen with a laser gun that can record the accuracy of your shots. Characters and scenarios are very realistic and each scenario can go in a different direction based on the decisions you make. The screen can shoot nylon balls back at you.

Impressions / Lessons:

1) SOBERING: Drawing your gun is like going to war – it may be necessary and the best alternative, but the outcome is never certain and always dangerous. Even with the best decisions, bad things can happen.

2) Impairment – When an adversary has a weapon and you feel stress, certain abilities we become impaired, among them…
a. Awareness – you cannot see and or forgot anything but your adversary
b. Decision process – what to do and when to do it
c. Shooting accuracy – most shots will go very high the first time through and do not get better until you learn to deal with the stress while shooting

3) Get behind cover – if you are going to engage an adversary, do it from behind a wall, car, etc. offer a very small target for your adversary to shoot back at.

4) How much value is range practice? Other than weapon familiarly and pistol marksmanship, does the range develop bad habits? This first thing I’m going to do in a confrontation, is get me and the ones I care about behind some cover. Good stance with a forward lean is out.

5) When to draw – It is never going to be an easy decision, but with this training, you a better sense of 1) evaluating your other options, and 2) when have those other options gone away. In other words, when is “my back really against the wall”. You may never know for sure, but this certainly helps.

6) Is a must – Almost everybody will not draw their guns in their lifetime, but until you go though something life this, you have no idea have woefully underprepared you are for the experience. If you feel like you have the temperament to carry a gun, you have the responsibility to go to training like this.

Thanks to CCWI and FI - very valuable stuff.

Finally to close out the day, I got home and my Utah CCW permit was in the mail - 5/22 (cc run) 7/19.
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:11 PM
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Excellent observations; I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:20 PM
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I too attended the Saturday 7/19 PRISim Training. Here are my thoughts…

What it is:

A computer/video simulation where you stand in front of an 8x8 screen with a laser gun that can record the accuracy of your shots. Characters and scenarios are very realistic and each scenario can go in a different direction based on the decisions you make. The screen can shoot nylon balls back at you.

Impressions / Lessons:

1) SOBERING: Drawing your gun is like going to war – it may be necessary and the best alternative, but the outcome is never certain and always dangerous. Even with the best decisions, bad things can happen.

2) Impairment – When an adversary has a weapon and you feel stress, certain abilities we become impaired, among them…
a. Awareness – you cannot see and or forgot anything but your adversary
b. Decision process – what to do and when to do it
c. Shooting accuracy – most shots will go very high the first time through and do not get better until you learn to deal with the stress while shooting

3) Get behind cover – if you are going to engage an adversary, do it from behind a wall, car, etc. offer a very small target for your adversary to shoot back at.

4) How much value is range practice? Other than weapon familiarly and pistol marksmanship, does the range develop bad habits? This first thing I’m going to do in a confrontation, is get me and the ones I care about behind some cover. Good stance with a forward lean is out.

5) When to draw – It is never going to be an easy decision, but with this training, you a better sense of 1) evaluating your other options, and 2) when have those other options gone away. In other words, when is “my back really against the wall”. You may never know for sure, but this certainly helps.

6) Is a must – Almost everybody will not draw their guns in their lifetime, but until you go though something life this, you have no idea have woefully underprepared you are for the experience. If you feel like you have the temperament to carry a gun, you have the responsibility to go to training like this.

Thanks to CCWI and FI - very valuable stuff.

Finally to close out the day, I got home and my Utah CCW permit was in the mail - 5/22 (cc run) 7/19.
Of all of your remarks I think #6 is probably the one that sticks with me the most. My PRISim training last year was a huge awakening regarding the need to train with the scenarios system. It really opens your mind to the fact that when reality occurs you need to analyze and respond with the correct moves and NOW.

I sincerely hope everyone had a great session in the trailer.

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