Security guard training. Alternative to CCW?

[shrike5000]

I'm glad we are clear on this one.

[bpphoto]

Originally Posted by cali80

Has anyone had security guard training? Would this allow a person to conceal carry? or open carry?

I saw some renta guards at a swapmeet and they carry (open carry).

Do you think becoming a bona fide security is a better option than getting a CC permit if you work in a less than safe area or environment?

What are the limitations and advantages?

I was answering the orig. post that didn't have a CCW permit and only had
a "Valid Guard Card & Valid Firearms Permit" only........

I believe that if you were to have an additional CCW permit as well then you would be able to have your conceled "BUG" If anyone knows better or can correct me if I am off on this feel free to chime in please.

bp

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by bpphoto

I was answering the orig. post that didn't have a CCW permit and only had
a "Valid Guard Card & Valid Firearms Permit" only........

I believe that if you were to have an additional CCW permit as well then you would be able to have your conceled "BUG" If anyone knows better or can correct me if I am off on this feel free to chime in please.

bp

I should have been more clear, I was thinking of a concealed BUG on a guard card only. I'd never thought about security guards and BUGs, I kind of always thought anyone carrying in the open (like LEO's) could carry a backup as well.

[El Gato]

First comes the guard card...

Next comes the gun card... and you can only carry a gun, bug or not, that is of the same caliber as printed on the gun card...

Then comes the employment with a Private Patrol Operator...

If any gun is concealed you must have the CCW... or be an active duty or retired LEO....

and if you are in Kern County and are a security guard... you will not be getting a ccw at least it is very very rare.....

[cksh8me]

If my employer grants his or her permission for me to carry a gun at their place of business then it is legal to do so concealed or not.

I wouldn't be a security guard I'd be whatever I was hired for I just carry a gun.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by cksh8me

If my employer grants his or her permission for me to carry a gun at their place of business then it is legal to do so concealed or not.

I wouldn't be a security guard I'd be whatever I was hired for I just carry a gun.

Do you know where in the penal code it says that? I was under the impression that the courts had held that business owners fell under 12026 but not employees, and that employers could only authorize open carry.

[flyingm]

From what I have seen you might be right libertarian. 12026 does not seem to have a specific exemption for employees, it only mentions "place of business". 12031 on the other hand,

12031. (a) (1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when
he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a
vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an
incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a
prohibited area of unincorporated territory.
...
(h) Nothing in this section shall prevent any person engaged in
any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any
officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful
purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm
within the person's place of business, or any person in lawful
possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that
property.

does seem to allow possession of a loaded weapon but no exemption to 12025. So I guess you can have it with you but not concealed? What is the case (cases?) you are referencing? I would like to look at it.