Position SUL

[Diablo]

Have any of you trained SUL? This is another trick for the ol tool box, it has it's place, my team uses it a lot........good stuff!

SUL
1. When you are in transit and you are not the cover man.
2.When friendlies are crossing your sector of fire.
3. Domination of Crowds

http://www.tftt.com/articles/Positio...he%20Scoop.pdf

[NiteQwill]

Used Sul during weapons tactics and CQB training in the Army. We had it drilled into our heads again and again. Definitely something you must practice continuously.

[MadMex]

Suarez shares a variety of SUL drills he picked up from his international travels… engaging targets N, S, E, & W, as well as at bad breath distances, all from SUL. As NiteQwill notes, it takes practice. Especially muzzle control for noobs.

[Diablo]

I agree it's a very funtional position. I use it all the time, but there are "nay sayers" out there that argue, if you're in SUL someone could trap you and the weapon by holding your arm down into your body. Again, this is an option that is incident specific, not perfect! As I said it's just another tool. By the by, I learned SUL from both Max Joseph and Gabe Suarez, two kick ass individuals. Take one of their classes, you'll learn a thing or two or three.

[Ronin]

I've several classes with Max Joesph and if you follow the three reasons to use position SUL the tactic works great.

[rickr96]

I'm familiar with SUL. Most advanced Defensive Hand Gun courses will cover SUL, or something similar, and based on my very limited experience I can see how in a few scenarios it could be a useful skill. Those scenarios, however, are not ones most of us CCW holders will ever face.

With very few exceptions the members here are not in the executive protection business, nor will we ever be part of five man entry teams making hostile entry into some bad guys lair. (LEO members excluded, of course.) Having a friendly cross our sight picture while weapon is pointed in could happen in some self-defense situation, but that's about it for the average CCW holder.

I believe any good quality training is valuable, and working with quality instructors is something we should do whenever time and money allow. But for most of us here, IMHO, SUL is way down on the list of skills we need to learn and improve.

[tdogg]

I've learned that position at Frontsight during a CCW class I took there. It's really not my favorite. The LAPD and LASD oriented SWAT guys I've trained with don't seem to bring it up in their classes. I'm not saying it's bad, just not something I have come across often yet. I'm taking a Larry Vickers course in a few weeks and will be interested in seeing if he teaches it during his course or not.

Nothing hurts to have in the toolbox though, so long as it's safe.

[Norseman]

I've never heard of the acronym: SUL. Please define this abbreviation. I've been DOJ Rangemaster, and LEO firearms tactics instructor for 18 yrs. now, and have taken many instructor classes through NRA and IALEFI. Try to stay current on all SD and weapon tactics publications. I've checked with my co-instructors. We've never heard of it. Ignorance I guess.

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by Norseman

I've never heard of the acronym: SUL. Please define this abbreviation. I've been DOJ Rangemaster, and LEO firearms tactics instructor for 18 yrs. now, and have taken many instructor classes through NRA and IALEFI. Try to stay current on all SD and weapon tactics publications. I've checked with my co-instructors. We've never heard of it. Ignorance I guess.

It's that ultra-hip cool style of keeping the pistol tucked into your chest and not covering your feet or buddies while you do 360 degree range work.

Seriously though, here's a link:
Tactical Firearms Training Team (TFTT) - Articles

[Norseman]

Thanks for the link. I read the origional one, but outside of seeing a Portageese word for south, l could not see any other defination. I've practiced this technique, in Tac IV classes, but didn't know it had a specific name other than non-lazering.

[IAmASensFan]

Its actually pretty popular, the reason you haven't heard of it is because it is not safe enough for NRA...

[Bombard]

During all my firearms training - both prior to having my CCW and since obtaining it - I've always assumed I would be functioning alone, for very brief encounters, and withdrawing if there is any chance. I've trained for single and multiple aggressors - but I've always assumed I was the defender. If by some cosmic improbability I'm using my weapon in a team, to cover a sector of fire, or to dominate a crowd - it pretty much means the entire civilization has collapsed.

In that case, I wouldn't be using any of the pistols that are on my permit. In fact, I wouldn't be using a handgun at all.

[Spicy McHaggis]

I didn't realize that Sul, or South, meant "down".

I rarely travel with my four man tactical team outside of the mall environment, so this isn't something I plan to use in a self defense situation.

My firearm will be in one of two positions, holstered or pointed at the threat.

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Its actually pretty popular, the reason you haven't heard of it is because it is not safe enough for NRA...

I disagree. It is not popular as far as I know (and I'll be the first to admit there is a lot I don't know). There is a place for everything in life. Discussing SUL on a ccw board is not one of them in my opinion.
SUL is highly controversial amongst people who train professionals for a living. With that being said, do you guys clear buildings in diamond formation, too, all the time?

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Its actually pretty popular, the reason you haven't heard of it is because it is not safe enough for NRA...

I think I saw Steven Seagal doing it in one of his movies, so it must be cool. I hear he is really popular right now too.