CCW Shooting Requirements

[BallTurret]

I just completed the initial 8-hour shooting requirements class for my CCW permit, and figured I'd share what was expected on the range. I can't speak for other county requirements, but this session satified requirements for Kern county. Of the 8 hours mandated, 3 hours were spent on the firing range... The instructor offered 30 minutes of warm up shooting, and then went into the actual qualifying portion. The first shooting exercise comprised of shooting 10 rounds at 21 feet at an undersized grey silhouette target. I scored 8 out of 10, with the worse score in the bunch of 6 - the minimum for passing. The second, and last test comprised of 10 rounds at 21 feet, but 2 shots at two second intervals (using whistle bursts from the instructor). Everyone started with the gun at the ready position (pointing down), and had to fire two shots off before 2 seconds ended - and scoring in the undersized grey silhouette target. All participants scored between 5 and 6 shots within the target - passing. The instructor never offered up what the minimum would have been for this test.

I point all this out to help those wanting to practice the proper drills... Oh and BTY, I was shooting a 2" Taurus 851 .38 special.

[cksh8me]

With such low shooting requirements like that I wonder why they bother.

[1buba]

our qual was actually done on steel targets. we were never told what the minimum passing score was either.

Originally Posted by BallTurret

I just completed the initial 8-hour shooting requirements class for my CCW permit, and figured I'd share what was expected on the range. I can't speak for other county requirements, but this session satified requirements for Kern county. Of the 8 hours mandated, 3 hours were spent on the firing range... The instructor offered 30 minutes of warm up shooting, and then went into the actual qualifying portion. The first shooting exercise comprised of shooting 10 rounds at 21 feet at an undersized grey silhouette target. I scored 8 out of 10, with the worse score in the bunch of 6 - the minimum for passing. The second, and last test comprised of 10 rounds at 21 feet, but 2 shots at two second intervals (using whistle bursts from the instructor). Everyone started with the gun at the ready position (pointing down), and had to fire two shots off before 2 seconds ended - and scoring in the undersized grey silhouette target. All participants scored between 5 and 6 shots within the target - passing. The instructor never offered up what the minimum would have been for this test.

I point all this out to help those wanting to practice the proper drills... Oh and BTY, I was shooting a 2" Taurus 851 .38 special.

[libertarian]

Orange county's requirements aren't tough, but they're at lot tougher than that. 24 rounds from each listed gun at each of three distances (3, 5, and 7 yards) into an undersized NRA-silhouette. I think the passing score is 70%, but I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong on that one.

[hygyliac]

As long as you meet your county or issuing agency's standard, then you are good to go. One CCW at a time.

[cksh8me]

Originally Posted by hygyliac

As long as you meet your county or issuing agency's standard, then you are good to go. One CCW at a time.

I agree but to me it's funny. Funny queer not funny ha ha. They make it very difficult to get a CCW then once approved it's overlooked if you can't hit a barn door or have poor fiream, and safety skills.

Why not make a shooting test that really tests you?

[BonoVox]

Yeah maybe easy. But face it, the average CCW holder shooting is probably within 3 to 5 feet. That qualifies as a barn door to me.

But if anything it is good at making sure you can handle a firearm in a safe and responsible manner. I think being even more important than accuracy at 25 yards.

[cksh8me]

I agree shooting at 25 yards is a bit much to stress but 5 rounds should be scored, even with a "J" frame. 20 to 25 feet should get quite a bit of attention. The close up stuff should be quick times and a small A zone.

Or not just my thoughts.

[cksh8me]

I agree shooting at 25 yards is a bit much to stress but 5 rounds should be scored, even with a "J" frame. 20 to 25 feet should get quite a bit of attention. The close up stuff should be quick times and a small A zone.

Put the applicant under some strain.

Throw in some reloads and presentations.

Raise the round count and charge more.

Or not just my thoughts.

[BallTurret]

We were not told the minimum passing score, unless a shooter was at that figure. To clear the air, off the record the instructor put us through a few more shooting drills, but not for qualifying. The scary thing was that he said that we shot better than most of his buddies on the force when he was a LEO. The targets were undersized grey silhouette PAPER targets. And I disagree, the exercise was bit bit harder than empting rounds into a barn door...I wasn't training to be a SWAT team member. The 2 round, 2 second drill is supposed to emulate an attacker coming at you starting at 25 feet. Lastly, to me it doesn't matter if you are putting 10 rounds or 100 rounds into a target/attacker... What matters, is how many make it to where they count. All but one shooter grouped most of their hits in the mid-section of the target. The only thing I disagreed on (concerning CCW cert), is the 6 moth practice interval... As a minimum, I go to the range monthly...

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by BallTurret

...The only thing I disagreed on (concerning CCW cert), is the 6 moth practice interval... :

Do they require that? If so, that's better than a lot of agencies. With that said, I know most members on this board shoot A LOT more often than that....more like every six days at least!

[cksh8me]

Originally Posted by BallTurret

We were not told the minimum passing score, unless a shooter was at that figure. To clear the air, off the record the instructor put us through a few more shooting drills, but not for qualifying. The scary thing was that he said that we shot better than most of his buddies on the force when he was a LEO. The targets were undersized grey silhouette PAPER targets. And I disagree, the exercise was bit bit harder than empting rounds into a barn door...I wasn't training to be a SWAT team member. The 2 round, 2 second drill is supposed to emulate an attacker coming at you starting at 25 feet. Lastly, to me it doesn't matter if you are putting 10 rounds or 100 rounds into a target/attacker... What matters, is how many make it to where they count. All but one shooter grouped most of their hits in the mid-section of the target. The only thing I disagreed on (concerning CCW cert), is the 6 moth practice interval... As a minimum, I go to the range monthly...

This tells me the CCW holders in the know are going for more training.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by BallTurret

I just completed the initial 8-hour shooting requirements class for my CCW permit, and figured I'd share what was expected on the range. I can't speak for other county requirements, but this session satified requirements for Kern county. Of the 8 hours mandated, 3 hours were spent on the firing range... The instructor offered 30 minutes of warm up shooting, and then went into the actual qualifying portion. The first shooting exercise comprised of shooting 10 rounds at 21 feet at an undersized grey silhouette target. I scored 8 out of 10, with the worse score in the bunch of 6 - the minimum for passing. The second, and last test comprised of 10 rounds at 21 feet, but 2 shots at two second intervals (using whistle bursts from the instructor). Everyone started with the gun at the ready position (pointing down), and had to fire two shots off before 2 seconds ended - and scoring in the undersized grey silhouette target. All participants scored between 5 and 6 shots within the target - passing. The instructor never offered up what the minimum would have been for this test.

I point all this out to help those wanting to practice the proper drills... Oh and BTY, I was shooting a 2" Taurus 851 .38 special.

By the Way... other instructors here in Bako use other types of scoring scenarios...just for the record....

[BallTurret]

I too seek as much training as I can, along with going to the range as much as possible. I fact, I've got a one-on-one session with a CCW insructor in November. The only thing that gets in the way of my practicing, is that four letter word, "work".

[DRSFEFA]

The different requirements for each area are very interesting. The different requirements for Kern County are even more interesting! It seems that the shooting tests may be at the discretion of the instructor?

We took our class at the Gunshop in Lancaster. We were only required to qualify with one gun. I used my KP345, The wife used the instructors SP101.

We had to shoot 15, 12, 10, 7, and 3 yards. 6 shots at each distance for the Ruger KP, 5 each for the revolver. The time went from 30 seconds incrementally downward as the target came closer. B27 silhouette target, had to hit the center mass gray.

80% was passing. The wife hit right at 80. I dropped two at 15 yards nervous, and the rest were in the 9 and 10 ring.

It will be a lot easier at renewal due to lots of practice and the nervous factor gone.