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10-28-2009, 04:31 PM
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Where are your favorite places to train?
I am curious what classes people thought were indispensable to their training. I was at Frontsight a few weeks ago and was sorely disappointed in everything. It was like an indoctrination camp, the instructors and staff for the most part were haughty and rude (without reason), it was a constant sales pitch, and worse the training was sub-par (I have learned more in an afternoon with Greg Block than I did in 4 days in the alternate reality of Fronsight).
For me, my indispensable classes would be the ones I have taken with Greg Block and also in the PRISim simulator. That said I was looking to expand my horizons so I was looking at Blackwater training and Stiletto Spy School but have no desire to repeat a wasted weekend. I want something that teaches me something new, not the same old stuff that you learn in your first 3 classes of beginner shooting. So what are your favorites and maybe I can make them mine!  
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10-28-2009, 05:35 PM
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You have had some of the best training you could ever have while training with CCWI and FI. I am not surprised Front Site was a letdown for you. Keep your practice sessions up and take another class with Greg.
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10-28-2009, 10:27 PM
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Ditto on the quality of Greg Block's classes. If you are willing to travel, I have heard great things about Gunsight in Arizona.
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10-28-2009, 11:42 PM
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I've been very pleased with the training I have received at Thunder Ranch.. small classes and he isn't trying to sell you anything...
I also had some great training from a guy who is now with Blackwater... haven't been in one of Greg's classes.
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10-29-2009, 11:53 AM
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"Let your gun be your constant companion on all your walks." Jefferson "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Lama "Gun bans don't disarm criminals, gun bans attract them." Walter Mondale, VP "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing." Sammy "The Bull" Gravano "A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." Lenin, Creator of the USSR "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." Hitler "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason, Father of the Bill of Rights "I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor." Gandhi The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government." Hubert H Humphrey, VP "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life." John F Kennedy "Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state." Heinrich Himmler, Head of Nazi SS "Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy." George Orwell "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in their government." Jefferson "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36
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10-29-2009, 11:54 AM
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SPC, oh I know I am spoilt by Greg's classes...
So on day 3, Front Sight had a simulator ... the first 4 groups went to it all came back raving about this amazing and awesome simulator, ok well can 12 people be that far off, I think "of course not" and I go with glee ... then I entered the "simulator" ... you walk down a canyon and the instructor next to you screams "bad guy bad guy shoot shoot shoot" while pointing at paper targets in bushes. Anyone who has done Greg's PRISim understands the complete let down I felt walking back to the car. Actually anyone who has done a simulated Turkey Shoot understands my letdown as well. Now that its cooler/cloudy out I will definitely do more classes with Greg, I assumed there were others that had equal but different training within a 6 hour drive of us. But I could be mistaken.
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10-29-2009, 12:04 PM
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Idpa
I have been long considering IDPA stuff but, frankly, showing up looked intimidating for me who is still a newbie.
Added to that my rumor spun understanding is that the closest IDPA practices are run by C- out of OT (there may be others nearby but C- is who was referred to me). While I enjoy both the person and the range generally, both are currently flaming me on another board because I don't agree with their politics. So my practice has dwindled to nothing at all since the BH love parade started. Its been a month since I shot at all, so I think a drive down to Oceanside might be in order just so my girlies don't rust out 
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10-29-2009, 12:26 PM
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Try Prado out in Chino Hills; the 1984 Olympic Shooting Park. It's outdoor (in open-air cinder block bays). Usually ~60 people show up before 8:30 (before 8am for a first-timer), and sign up for 1 of 4 squads (they have 4 bays and have 2 set ups per bay, one on each side, left and right, 8 set ups in all). Every squad shoots every stage (i.e., every set up). In each squad, you wait your turn to shoot, and have an RO standing there with you for safety. The range is (almost) always run cold -- only the shooter has a loaded gun, again for safety. It's fun, and you can be as slow as you like in draw and fire (although they time you and the IDPA gamers are into speed). And they have the occasional youngster (11 or 12 year old) show up and shoot. They're nice to women, too. --> Prado IDPA
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10-29-2009, 03:25 PM
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Prado puts on a good 8 stage IDPA match. Glad to hear they are back to running a cold range. Mike Dalton’s club, ISI, up in Piru, puts on a good 6 stage IDPA match also, but it’s a bit of a drive. You might want to try USPSA at Norco. We have lots of lady competitor’s there, including JoJo’s daughter. You do not need to be a member of the gun club or the parent organization to shoot the matches. If you wish to shoot the stage tactically and from concealment, there are no rules against it. 6 USPSA stages generally consume about 200 rounds.
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10-29-2009, 04:04 PM
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What do people know about the classes Bill Murphy teaches at "Firearms Training Associates" in Corona. They are the classes that Turners has on their websight?
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10-29-2009, 04:06 PM
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You may want to post that up on the Board rather than within a thread it will get more traffic that way
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10-29-2009, 04:08 PM
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10-29-2009, 04:20 PM
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Does anyone know if there are any classes like that around Eureka that have simulations like you are talking about?
Shooting at a stationary target does not teach you much of anything except the rudimentary basics of how your gun works. I took a CCW renewal class at Mendcino College last year and it was good. They used various scenarios involving moving around, shooting the target when on the ground (simulating being knocked down) and stress shooting where they nearly put you in panic mode (and it really shows your weaknesses) but I know there is always something new to learn.
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10-29-2009, 06:12 PM
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Actually, USPSA shooting is ALL about movement. Check out the videos. That is why it's called 'Running Gun' And there are various types of moving targets, swingers, drop turners, calmshells (falling forward or backward), bobbers, woblers and charging targets. You got to be quick and accurate. When the shot timer goes beep, it's like getting injected with 2 ounces of adrenaline, it zooms you up pretty good.
Go Shooting Today Last edited by 9x45 : 10-29-2009 at 06:20 PM.
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10-30-2009, 07:20 AM
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Check out Amereican defence enterprises. WWW.americandefenceenterprises.com
I have taken many of their courses. They train at LAX range for Indoor and at Burro for out door. (the Range next to Greg). It really is for the more advanced shooter and Bill who runs the class will want to assess your skills before letting you participate with the class. There is a lot of CQB work (5-10 feet) with rifles and pistols to multiple targets, there are many drills and positions to learn. The shoot house is very good, it has just been extended, you need to be fit, both in mind and body to go through the shoot house with a team. I could not believe how my accuracy sucked when I first began working the shoot house. There are so many things going on, so many things to think about, seeing my partner blast away right next to me and feeling the compression as I cover him really gets the juices flowing. I especially like the instructors insistence on accuracy, he will pick you out for ridicule if your not hitting the shots required, but give you pointers if he sees your form out of shape. In every class I have attended there are two trainers to a student , so you are always being watched and given direction. There is a lot of running and transition drills from rifle to pistol. They also work on long range accuracy and I have to say I find myself more accurate with simple iron sites at 50-100 yrds than I was with the Eotech. What I have taken away from this class is that you really do not need all the bells and whistles on your rifle. A simple M4 set up, as light as possible works perfectly. The only negative I have is that you have to be very aware of what is going on around you. There are turning drills, so someone is going to have a loaded weapon infront of you pointing to the ground. If you go in the shoot house and are the first one in you have five loaded weapons right behind you and I mean inches away. Oh and your going to shoot a lot of ammo so its not cheap.
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