Use Of Sight Shooting In Close Quarters Gunfights

[5shot]

Here's a link to a new article of mine that you may find of interest.

http://www.pointshooting.com/0ssmyth.htm

Feel free to copy/print/share/post it as you like.

[X-ffdo]

I find that to be true, when bullets are zinging by. you look at the source, specially if you are moving, breathing heavily, and shooting one handed. Sights? what are those?....and then the ringing in the ears, afterwards your eyes sweep like a radar screen, weird feelings!!.

[El Gato]

I disagree...

[CCWInstructor]

This is 100% bull . . . I prove it wrong daily in training.

[5shot]

I thought the CHP trains Officers in Point Shooting.

target shooting <> gun fighting

training <> life threat situations

leading horse to water <> drinking

what is = what is <> liking it

Thank you for taking the time to read the article.

[OIS]

There seems to be a difference of opinion Re: "P&S" Therefore, I request a call for credential review of "Five Shot."

Thank you.

[X-ffdo]

Originally Posted by OIS

There seems to be a difference of opinion Re: "P&S" Therefore, I request a call for credential review of "Five Shot."

Thank you.

We are keeping very quiet here lately , no arguments!
Whenever "it" happens, then you can find out for yourself, everyone is different and they will react differently, hopefully you will default to your training. Hopefully you won't get to have the opportunity to find out. Better that way!
I was down to the big metropolis last night. I heard a good sized caliber go boom, after a few minutes another one went off. It did not seem like there was another caliber involved, similar sounding shots. Somebody was getting the experience.
Signing off on this one.

[ordu]

In my vastly under qualified opinion this is one of those situations where there is no "right", just flavors of wrong.

Dynamic situations are just that.

You can train and train and train till you're the 900lb gorilla of pistol fighting but there's always a situation you didn't train for. You have to take what you've learned, adapt it to the situation and work the problem one slice at a time.

The whole "this training is superior to this training" crap is just that. Almost all training is good training, the more kinds you take, the more you can adapt to a situation. Think Neo in the matrix. "I know Kung-fu!" He didn't know kung-fu, he learned every martial art they had on file.

I see training as the same thing. Force on force is great training, low light training is great training, situational training (scenario based) is great training but at the end of the day when it's your turn... there's a lot of monkey brain and lizard brain crap you're dealing with. Training gives you defaults but there is no default for everything.

You have a brain, use it.

Also, if you take situational training with CCWI in the death box with Female Instructor. Wear a cup. She does not miss and she plays for keeps.

not said from personal experience but have heard the aftermath stories

[X-ffdo]

That is bad if you carry no spares!!

[5shot]

What's this - check on credentials thing ???

If you want my bio info see AIMED Point Shooting or P&S

Here's a snipet from the intro part that may address the issue of credentials:

"Well, police and others question things, and some like credentials.

However, when you are dealing with innovation and advancement, credentials attesting to past learned behaviors may not be of that much value.

That is because traditional/institutionalized practices and behaviors can be almost insurmountable obstacles to advancement, and particularly in the world of the gun which deals with life and death matters, and is steeped in military history, dogma, and tradition.

Additionally, "experts" who have taught, and continue to teach the "wrong" shooting methods as proven by scientific investigation and studies, can be expected to slam any upstart who questions their behavior. And their associates can be expected out of fellowship, to do the same."

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Note the article supports all types of PS.

I think my brand is better because it is natural, does not require cognitive driven skills, negates grip issues, etc.....

In gunfight videos we do see Officers point their gun and shooting. That's all i think is needed plus a bit of help from mom nature as to our ability to point accurately which is what the US Army says we can do.

Again I think SS is questionable because it relies on our ability to see and use the sights in a CQB situation.

So any type of PS should be better. And once you go there, I think "you" will naturally gravitate over time to the simplest and most natural method for accurate (not precision), aiming at CQ.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by 5shot

I thought the CHP trains Officers in Point Shooting.

target shooting <> gun fighting

training <> life threat situations

leading horse to water <> drinking

what is = what is <> liking it

Thank you for taking the time to read the article.

The CHP trains... having been through the training with Lou.. and if you have to ask who Lou is you don't know the origins of the training.....to the same technique as the late Jim Cirillo (spelling help here)... which is to tape up the sights and then not so much point the gun but to index it... much like the stressfire index which is where I believe Mas got the technique... you are looking over the top of the gun or indexing the back of the gun on the target... we are still indexing the gun...
week before last I was at a little class with Clint Smith... he said "...you didn't drop out of your mother's womb with a gun in your hand...there is not such thing as instinctive shooting" and then he went on to talk about the great Bill Jordon who did amazing things with his sixgun... and who also had a basically endless supply of taxpayer supplied ammo (border patrol) to teach himself to shoot that way....

I refer the reader also to Ed McGivern's book for further on very quick sighted shooting...

[5shot]

Here's a pic of Lou I swiped from his web site Gunfighters Ltd.



And here is a link to a Paladin Press interview with Lou Chiodo about his book: Winning a High-Speed, close-distance Gunfight: http://www.paladin-press.com/downloa..._Chiodo_QA.pdf

I have exchanged e-mails with him over time, and he is always pleasant, and helpful.

[El Gato]

That's the character all right...appears to be aimin' don't he... but shucks I'm just a bakersfield hillbilly type guy what do I know...

[5shot]

If you can't focus on the sights, don't matter much.

But if you were to point at something aways away from you, I think you will find your hand and finger will be right up their close to your eye line to the target.

The "point" you bring up is an excellent one, and why I think "my" touted method is one to think some about.

If you are familiar with the QK (Quick Kill), which works great, it uses an "aim point" where you put the muzzle of the gun, just a few inches off of COM.

Indexing the gun under the strong eye or on your center line also works.

And most PS methods work day or night.

The Army's 2 hand isso at < 15 feet works 2:





Robber died.

When I first saw the pics I clipped from the video, I thought the "guard" should have been shot.

Robber was probably in the act of shooting (if you saw the just before pics), but that takes a fraction of a scond phisiologically.

The good guy won.

Was there time to Sight Shoot?

NO WAY.

Had the good guy tried it, he would be DEAD and for the next million/billion years.

Just something to think about.

............

Almost got promoted once to a job in Bakersfield. Understand it gets hot there.

Got promoted somewhere else.

You take what you can gets.

[CCWInstructor]

Nice picture of Lou! What is right in front of his dominant eye? And level with his eye? A gun! What is on top of the slide? SIGHTS!!!!!!


WOW!!!!!
What a concept!