hey from San Diego

[ChrisG]

Originally Posted by rycerz

I believe that one cannot BUY or PPT a handgun till they are 21 and older but they can receive one from a parent or a grandparent as early as 18.

That transaction doesn't have to go through a PPT?

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by ChrisG

That transaction doesn't have to go through a PPT?

There is a CA DOJ form that gets filled out and sent in. It's called intra family transfer.

[rycerz]

more here:

Frequently Asked Questions - Public - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf


The question is specific:

Can I give a firearm to my adult child? Can he/she give it back to me later?
Yes, as long as the adult child receiving the firearm is not in a prohibited category the firearm is a legal firearm to possess, the transfer of a firearm between a parent and child or a grandparent and grandchild is exempt from the dealer transfer requirement. However, if the firearm is a handgun, you must submit an Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction and $19 fee to the DOJ within 30 days. Assault weapons may not be transferred in this fashion. See Penal Code section 12285, subdivision (b).

The child over age of 18 is an adult child.

[ChrisG]

And there you have it. Thank you sir.

[CCWInstructor]

I cited 21 from a CCW perspective to answer his question relating to a CCW being issued . Yes, he can do a family transfer at 18.

Anything under 21 does not count for a CCW or the police academy graduation.

[Glock619]

Wow I'm surprised from all the responses. No, there wasn't a mistake or is it illegal that the gun is in my name. Even the ladies at the doj filing the paper work were hesitant of the situation.

I still haven't haven't done my research on the ccw process. Don't get me wrong, not that you guys are not helping, but I want to get info right. Just how there are people saying can't own a handgun, there might be the same on the ccw info.

Again thanks to all that clarified my situation and all advice is appreciated.

[ChrisG]

Originally Posted by Glock619

Wow I'm surprised from all the responses. No, there wasn't a mistake or is it illegal that the gun is in my name. Even the ladies at the doj filing the paper work were hesitant of the situation.

I still haven't haven't done my research on the ccw process. Don't get me wrong, not that you guys are not helping, but I want to get info right. Just how there are people saying can't own a handgun, there might be the same on the ccw info.

Again thanks to all that clarified my situation and all advice is appreciated.

How did the gun end up in your possession?

[Glock619]

My father bought the handgun, I took the hsc test and passed 100%. I then filled out the form for transaction and set it to doj and 19$. I then got hassled
By three women from the processing station that I had to be 21. I showed them all wrong on there own FAQ page and showed them penal codes. Finally was approved and they apologized and said they learned something new.

Hope that answers your question.

[Glock619]

So I did some research, and only came upon one site that said you have to be 21 for ccw. I checked bsis and doj, but not throughly. All it had for requirements
were the training and the interviews. Found one site that said 18 in California, but was up to the sheriff. If someone could point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.

[Greg Andrews]

My experience with the San Diego application process: plan on making MANY trips down to the police station. As much as I am a stickler for detail with respect to paperwork, they will always want something additional or more than you have.

Second, although I am a firm believer in "shall" issue, the clerks down there will do everything in their power to try to trip you up in your interview, to see if they can't label you someone who doesn't have "cause." For example, I run a very high-dollar jewelry business, and the lady tried to browbeat me into admitting that I only sold on Ebay - I don't sell at ALL on ebay. I'm sure they get a lot of people down there who don't meet their definition of "just cause" and they will try to paint you with that brush . . . until you can be firm with them. Once, I actually got angry at the lady, demanded to speak with her supervisor, and got an apology from the supervisor that the clerk didn't know what she was talking about, and shouldn't have "spoken to me that way."

It's funny - the third time I applied, I got my license approved, printed, and given to me - the same day. The interviewer was very squared away, and could tell that I was one of the "just cause" people (according to their definition). Be prepared to bring bank receipts, maybe a letter from your bank that you transact in cash, etc (as an aside, my bank knows I carry when I'm making a large deposit or withdrawl, and are actually happy that I do carry).

Lastly, in San Diego, carrying cash is one big factor in determining that you are a suitable candidate (again, from their perspective, suitable). Their reasoning is that if you can't insure cash, and everyone knows you carry it, then you're a prime target for a violent attack.

One comment: during my range-test, I've seen some absolute disasters; people who haven't shot in a couple of years, and are totally unnerved that they're in a 'high stress' environment. I saw one guy drop his gun on the line. When I went up to qualify with the 3 guns on my license, the tester started with my reolver, and when he saw that I knew how to unload a revolver properly, he told me that I was the only person he'd ever seen do that correctly, and passed me on all 3 guns right then and there. Same thing happened during another requal: my glock jammed. I executed immediate action on it (tap, rack, bang), and he passed me, but not after spending time with me troubleshooting my glock. They're very friendly at the range, and very reasonable.

[Yoda]

Welcome to the site Greg Andrews,

San Diego needs a new sheriff and Jay LaSuer is running for election in 2010. He's been on this site and will make SD Shall Issue for the most part.

Although not my County, he looks to be a good choice.

[THE Gimper]

Welcome, Greg Andrews. Can you clarify one thing? Did you apply for your CCW with the Sheriff's Office or the Police Department?

[X-ffdo]

Glock619. Obviously a smart young guy! We need more like you here, the up and coming, get us "old guys" up to speed. Welcome!.
Greg Andrews. That is one hell of a post! I have been here a while and no one has posted details like that about San Diego. I know of another county that used to have at least one investigator, a county north of yours and west of mine. that would use these deceptive practices to discourage/disqualify applicants.
Don't you hate that, these guys are supposed to represent the law. They act like criminals, gut level disgusting, so twisted! Anyway I am glad you are with us now. welcome!.
BTW, I might add. In my experience, it is most of the time when you get to the pistol range, the instructors like their jobs, they are usually passionate about what they do. It shows. Even with federal agencies, these guys are the unsung heroes who do it in daylight, darkness, heat of summer, cold of winter, rain or shine. Always trying to be helpful. My thanks to you guys, if any of you read these pages ever!

[Greg Andrews]

Good to be here. To answer your question, San Diego County Sheriff is the issuing agency for my CCW. They've got a whole bunch of good investigators down there, who do interviews for all sorts of applications - taxi driver, you name it. Each investigator handles many different types of licenses and permits. And my post was not meant to disparage the department - I've had 3 renewals, and only the 2nd one was, shall we say, a bit uncomfortable. My license is for "Business Purposes Only" as a restriction, and truthfully, I don't carry on my person often - maybe once a month. But I ALWAYS have a firearm in my car. I do conduct business daily, however, so I could carry every day.

My hope is that we get a new Sheriff in town, so that my fellow law-abiding citizens who don't happen to run an 'appropriate' business can apply and be approved. As an aside, I once used my CCW as identification to pass through airport security in Pittsburgh, as I had misplaced my DL during my trip. Worked like a charm.

[spc]

Well said. I too have used my CCW in Pittsburgh and I carried on my Pennsylvania CCW.

spc