Ammo Registration bill out of Suspense!

[FiringLion]

Originally Posted by Lee F. Smith

Here is how it came down. Not suprisingly, ... Lieu told me one thing and did another.


AYES
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... Lieu...

Lied to me too.

With the emails, letters, and calls I am really disappointed in my rep. Ted.
Bad representative.
No nachos for you.
Sink this bill or I actively campaign against you out of spite...

[KimberDude]

What else can we do to combat this? I heard that they were going to vote on it as early as Tuesday.

[Dutchman]

Lee F,

Is there any indication on just how the bill was amended? If they leave the ban in place on internet purchases, would that not give the NRA some fodder to go after this bill on its Constitutionality? (or lack thereof)

I just have a BAD feeling that this is going to get ram rodded through and passed along to a RINO Governator who has been pu$$y whipped by the DNC (or at least his wife) into signing this pig of a bill.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by KimberDude

What else can we do to combat this? I heard that they were going to vote on it as early as Tuesday.

Tuesday morning I'm going to Solarios office (I'm in his district, in Santa Ana) and drop off a xerox of the $100 checks I've written to the campaigns of those who voted no.

If I could get even 1 other person from his district to call or write, it might make a difference. When I talked to him last he said I was the only one who'd talked to him about the bill.

[Lee F. Smith]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

Lee F,

Is there any indication on just how the bill was amended? If they leave the ban in place on internet purchases, would that not give the NRA some fodder to go after this bill on its Constitutionality? (or lack thereof)

....

Like all poorly thought out bills this does not take in the bigger picture. The anti-gun types have started to use regulation as opposed to law to regulate business practices. It does not prohibit internet sales directly, it restricts ammo sales to a "face to face" transaction. Hmm ... I wonder if a web cam.... I digress, the stupidity of this bill has been tried and failed but they don't let reality scare them off.

The amendments were minor changes such as making it a yearly permit instead of five years, not integrating it with the drivers license, pretty much mitigating movements to show they compromised on their original position while not changing anything.

The key change in the situation here was that Assem. Bass was sworn in as majority leader and she appointed Leon (bills author) to chair the appropriations committee. I would not put it past him to go around and use that to change votes. It seems to be a game to most of these people. They do not concern themselves with the consequences to real people.

[Bombard]

As I read it, if this passes the biggest impact will be keeping people from learning to shoot.

Every year my family takes a week at a church run family camp in the SB mountains. They have a 22 range and some not completely awful single shot bolt actions rifles. The big point is teaching 10 year olds the basics.

The 10 year olds can't get ammo buying permits, so they can't buy ammo. The rangemaster cant give away more than 50 rounds total per month. If he becomes a dealer he can't give ANY away. They only way for the kids to learn is for their parents to go get their ammo permits at least 30 days in advance, buy ONE box of 22 per parent and give it to the kid.

How many parents are going to do that?

[Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Bombard

As I read it, if this passes the biggest impact will be keeping people from learning to shoot.

Every year my family takes a week at a church run family camp in the SB mountains. They have a 22 range and some not completely awful single shot bolt actions rifles. The big point is teaching 10 year olds the basics.

The 10 year olds can't get ammo buying permits, so they can't buy ammo. The rangemaster cant give away more than 50 rounds total per month. If he becomes a dealer he can't give ANY away. They only way for the kids to learn is for their parents to go get their ammo permits at least 30 days in advance, buy ONE box of 22 per parent and give it to the kid.

How many parents are going to do that?

True that on teaching ten year olds. The way I read this on the 5th exemption to the 50 round per month is transfers from one family member to another...BFD. I hope the NRA can get enough pull to defeat this pig of a bill.

[Dieter3]

Last week, day before the appropriations committee voted on this, I contacted the offices of each assembly critter. Of course I didn't speak with the actually rep., but the folks that answered the phone.....

Republicans: Had to leave a message for one, all of the others STRONGLY opposed this bill.

Demoncats: No surprises, NOT ONE of the spokespeople I talked to could tell me how their boss was going to vote on this. It was BS like "well, I haven't spoken to them about it.....", "I'm not too sure....", blah, blah, blah. My BUTT.

They must have been getting pounded with call, as more than one of the demo offices alluded to that, asked how I knew about this bill.

And of course, the Democrats didn't disappoint.....the anti-gun folks!!

[Anna]

AB 2062 passed in the Assembly. Now what?

I've sent an email to my senator. But I'm also thinking of sending an email to my idiot assembly critter just to chew her head off. I'm sleeping on it, though, because I'm seriously angry.

What can we do to get these idiots out of the legislature? As someone who was not into guns until less than two months ago, I know that the general population generally does not know about these things. It was only after I started researching about purchasing my first gun that I learned just how onerous the whole process is.

We have to have a way to let the general population know what's going on. Some won't care since they're anti-gun as well, but I think a lot more will realize the 2nd Amendment and constitutional implications.

[Bombard]

Anna, write a check to the campaign of one of the assemblypeople that opposed the bill. Xerox it, and send the copy to your assemblyman.

I made a donation to Greg Aghazarian's campaign for the state senate, he was the one that put the bill on suspence.

"Aghazarian for Senate"

mail it to
Warfield & Associates, P.O. Box 471, Sacramento, CA 95812.

[akulahawk]

I sent out an e-mail to my Senator, Dave Cox, about this bill, and the issue in general. His voting record and stances on this are absolutely wonderful. Although he states that he "opposes [whatever bill] as written" he does actually oppose the bill. From what I can tell, he's got a pretty solid pro-2A record.

Here's his response to me (I've highlighted in red some important points):

Dear Mr. akulahawk:

Thank you for contacting my office regarding gun control legislation.
My stance on additional gun control legislation has been clear. I have consistently opposed efforts to restrict the ability of law-abiding citizens to purchase and legally use firearms.
Here is a brief summary of some of the gun control bills currently pending in the Legislature:
Assembly Bill 2062 (De Leon) is a re-introduction of a bill carried by the same author last year (AB 362). AB 2062 is far-reaching measure which prohibits any person not licensed as a gun dealer to transfer, sell or buy more than 50 pieces of ammunition in a month. The bill also implements extensive reporting and record-keeping requirements for all licensed gun dealers who wish to sell ammunition. The requirements listed in this measure are impractical and would do more to inconvenience lawful gun owners more than deter criminals. I oppose AB 2062 in its current form. The bill passed the full Assembly on May 29 by a vote of 42-32 and is now awaiting a committee assignment in the Senate.
Assembly Bill 2566 (Hancock) was written to attempt to remove handguns from state regulation and instead allow cities and counties to regulate or prohibit their purchase or use. This bill seems to be in direct violation of California Penal Code Section 12026 (a) which affirms the right of qualified, law-abiding individuals to possess and bear arms within the state. The bill failed passage in the Assembly Public Safety Committee on April 15 by a vote of 1-2 and is dead for the remainder of this legislative session.
Assembly Bill 2498 (Leno) would prohibit firearms sales at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. This legislation is an effort to allow the City and/or County of San Francisco to discriminate against legitimate gun show participants and vendors who must comply with stringent state regulations affecting licensing, sales, background checks, liability and other provisions of state law governing gun shows. It is worth noting that the property in question is owned by the state, not the county. For these reasons, I am opposed to this bill as written. AB 2948 passed the full Assembly on May 28 by a vote of 44-34 and is now awaiting a committee assignment in the Assembly.
During 2007, other pertinent gun control-related bills were approved by the Legislature and signed into law by Governor Schwarzenegger:
Assembly Bill 821 (Nava) would require the use of non-lead rifle and handgun ammunition for hunting in certain areas as to reduce the risk of lead poisoning to the endangered California Condor. While the goal of protecting the endangered California Condor has merit, in my view the provisions contained in this bill were excessive and of dubious value. AB 821 passed from the Senate on September 4, 2007 by a vote of 23 to 15. I voted against the bill at that time. The bill was signed into law by the Governor on October 13, 2007.
Assembly Bill 1471 (Feuer) would require all handguns sold after January 1, 2010 to include micro-stamped identifying information that would be transferred to each dispensed bullet cartridge as it was fired. Technical issues aside, it is my opinion that such a program will not lead to any significant reduction in gun violence, nor will it increase conviction rates of gun-related crimes. Moreover, the bill has the potential to inconvenience and even implicate lawful gun owners whose guns were stolen and used in the commission of a crime. AB 1471 passed the Senate on September 6, 2007 by a vote of 21 to 17. I voted in opposition to the bill at that time. In addition to voting against the bill, along with my Senate Republican Colleagues I urged the Governor to veto the bill. Despite our efforts, the Governor signed the legislation on October 13, 2007.
If you are interested in tracking the progress of current legislation, you may access the status, votes, bill text and analyses of this and other legislation from my Senate home page at Home - CA State Senator Dave Cox.
Again, thank you for taking the time to relay your views. Please feel free to communicate with me in the future on other issues of interest.
Sincerely,
DAVE COX
Senator, First District

[spc]

Congratulations on your desire to purchase a gun. Most folks are very unaware of the regulations regarding purchasing and owning firearms. There are lots of hoops to jump through and the powers that be continue trying to make it more difficult. Take your time and work by the rules and make educated decisions on the firearms you are interested in and when you have completed all of the necessary requirements take care of your purchase.

Thank you for becoming aware of some of the issues involved and I hope you find the information you need to proceed with your interest in forearms ownership. Ask any questions you need to make your endeavor the best possible.

spc