.40 Glock Sold - Lost Records? Liability?

[Bombard]

RD's advice is good.

FL also brings up an interesting point. There are two very odd things going on here. First, apparently B&B did not do a DROS on your gun. It SHOULD be registered to someone else. It's possible that strange things happened when they closed, and that their remaining inventory wasn't handled properly.

The other is that IIRC, LAPD does not voluntarily return guns that they've gotten hold of, especially if they are registered to someone other than who they were taken from. Although I wouldn't want to talk to LAPD any further than you have, it would be interesting to find out if the phone number - and the detective - really belong to LAPD or not.

[El Gato]

Good points here....always good to know the reputation of the dept. you are dealing with... fortunately here we have less issues to worry about than folks who have to deal with the LAPD and their political admin.

My story: I sold a Springfield .38 super in the early 90's at the Ventura Gun Show... I took the gun and the buyer.. who spoke little english... to the dealer who was DROS'n guns... the guy took my info etc... never having done this before... I was ignorant and walked away back to my table. The guy never did the paperwork. Over the last 10 years, the guy who now has my gun keeps hitting his wife and in one case beating her with the gun... the coppers in the various local PD's call me to find out if the gun was stolen from me... the last time was at 0300 hrs from ventura... about a year ago... I told the cop what had happened...the dealer had never done the paperwork for the gun and while I would love to have the gun back so the cops would stop calling me, it would be untruthful to say it was my gun. The last cop told me he was going to try to get the gun returned to me as I was the registered owner and he is tired of arresting the guy and having his wife crawfish on him... I havent heard back.

Now that agencies have to have a Law Enforcement Gun release to release the gun, persons who have possession of the gun, and want it back, have to provide the gun release form. Hopefully, what they are trying to do is to return the gun to the registered owner, necessitating a LEGR form.

I seized a gun from a guy a few months ago, wrote about it on this forum in fact. Tommorrow I am returning the gun to the registered owner, they called me today to inform me they had the LEGR form back from the DOJ...

I hope it works out for you and that there is nothing nefarious or surreptious going on with the LAPD... as for me? maybe I'll get a call from Ventura's property room soon and get that .38 super back.... or not ... I sold it cause it was not much of gun and wouldn't run no matter how it was tweaked... rougher than a cob... the new springfield guns are much nicer...

[CCW-G30]

I'll briefly relate a similar experience. I sold not one, but four handguns to a dealer at a Fairplex gun show in Feb. of 1996. At the time everything seemed legit. One month ago I requested an AFS search in my name from the CA DOJ. I received the list and it included each of the four handguns sold in '96. I immediately filed a NLIP form for each handgun and explained my sitaution. I followed up with the DOJ and was told that absent any supporting documentation that the handguns wouldn't be automatically removed from my name. Of course I have absolutely no paperwork from that transaction. There would be my statement of NLIP entered in the AFS database however. Imagine me finding out about this
12+ years after the sale! I should have been more throrough at the time of the sale and kept better track of my documentation. At least I can say that I was pro-active in requesting my own purchase history and disputing the erroroneous information contained within.

BTW - The file only contains handgun information. Long gun info is not retained by the state after five days from the date of purchase.


CCW-G30

[CCWInstructor]

Those guns stay in your name as the owner until the dealer DROS them to another buyer. Once that happens they are listed as the current owner, you are still listed in the weapon history.

Either those guns were sold out of state or never registered (DROS) in state. Do you remember if the FFL was based in California or not? If they were from out of state, they will always stay in your name here.

[CCW-G30]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Those guns stay in your name as the owner until the dealer DROS them to another buyer. Once that happens they are listed as the current owner, you are still listed in the weapon history.

Either those guns were sold out of state or never registered (DROS) in state. Do you remember if the FFL was based in California or not? If they were from out of state, they will always stay in your name here.

I'm pretty sure he was a CA dealer. I vaguely recall him mentioning his store in "the valley". Odd thing is, I didn't fill out a DROS form as I now know it from an '05 purchase from Turner's. In 1996 it was more of a Bill-of-Sale then a DROS form. At the time, I didn't think it mattered.

CCW-G30

[CCWInstructor]

You do not fill out a DROS when you sell a gun to a dealer. It is a bill of sale.

A DROS is only filled out when you purchase a gun from a dealer. In 1996 a DROS was a worksheet called in DOJ.