No CCW on campuses?

[stingray4540]

I thought that if you had your ccw that you could carry on campuses. But, lately my campus has been putting up these fliers that say:

"Weapons are prohibited on Campus
California Penal Code Section 626.9
(H)(I) prohibits carrying firearms or similar weapons on Campus Grounds
or Buildings owned or operated by the University."

I looked it up, and it seems to be true, with no exceptions for CCW holders. Is there a penal code somewhere that excepts CCW holders from this section of code?

I would really like to give the university president a hard time about this, if I could. Mostly because we are upset with some of the decisions the school has been making lately, and this would be just one more thing to rant about.

[Dan M.]

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[akulahawk]

Read further down in that section of the Penal Code. There is an exception for CCW holders. It's up to you to find it yourself so that you believe it for yourself.

Now then, regardless of what the Penal Code says, School employees and Students are subject to school disciplinary measures. Students can be expelled and employees can be fired for violating school policies. This is way different than a violation of the Penal Code. They're two separate animals.

[BonoVox]

Yeah and being expelled for a gun related offense. Something tells me it would be hard to find another school after being expelled under those circumstances.

[stingray4540]

Thanks Akulahawk. Found it, (l)(m).

No worries, I don't have a license, and don't know that anyone attending has one. The point is that they make it sound like no one can bring a firearm on campus, and possibly be there excuse for having unarmed security guards here. What a waste of money to have security guards who can't even do anything, all that they are allowed to do is "observe and report", anyone can do that, but a lot of good it will do if some poor girl is getting raped in a dark corner of the parking lot. The dirtbag will be done and gone by the time any police arrive. Even if they aren't armed, they should at least have the ability to detain.

[damjo]

Originally Posted by stingray4540

Even if they aren't armed, they should at least have the ability to detain.

They can do a citizens arrest.

[stingray4540]

What they can do, and what they would do though, may not be the same thing. I doubt they even know what they are legally allowed or not allowed to do. According to the school's official "safety" handbook, they specifically state that the security is only allowed to "observe and report", and I fear that that is all they know about what they can and can't do, and would just follow those procedures.
Of course the presence of security guards hasn't done a dang thing to stop people from breaking into cars, slashing tires, etc. The security guards here are lazy and worthless, a waste of my money if you ask me.

But anyways, getting a little sidetracked here. Thanks for the help guys, I found what I was looking for.

[Bombard]

Assuming we're talking about the University of California, the question is whether they have a policy that prohibits students and staff from carrying on campus with a CCW.

I've found lots of statements and a couple of signs from the UC that cites 626.9
(H)(I). And it's true - if you don't have a CCW, carrying on campus is a violation of that section. And if you're NOT a student or staff, the CCW exception covers you. Even if you're a student or staff, and you have a CCW, you're not breaking the LAW by carrying on campus - but you may be violating the policy, and subject to expulsion or firing.

So, have you found that policy statement? 'Cause I've looked, and I haven't.

[JandJDude]

Originally Posted by Bombard

Assuming we're talking about the University of California, the question is whether they have a policy that prohibits students and staff from carrying on campus with a CCW.

I've found lots of statements and a couple of signs from the UC that cites 626.9
(H)(I). And it's true - if you don't have a CCW, carrying on campus is a violation of that section. And if you're NOT a student or staff, the CCW exception covers you. Even if you're a student or staff, and you have a CCW, you're not breaking the LAW by carrying on campus - but you may be violating the policy, and subject to expulsion or firing.

So, have you found that policy statement? 'Cause I've looked, and I haven't.

As far as I know at UCI, there is no stated Administrative policy regarding CCW carry. Also, as far as I know, they can't expel you (or anything else) unless it's in writing.

[JandJDude]

also something to think about-- there's been five school shootings in the past week, two of them at major universities.

If/When I get my CCW, and given there's no legal statute barring me from carrying on campus and no written administrative policy, I sure as hell am going to carry on campus.

[WKC]

Here is UCI's Weapon policy.

http://www.police.uci.edu/safety/doc...prohibited.pdf

I really don't understand what they mean by this:

Most weapons are not permitted on campus. This list is just a few examples to give you an idea.
... any gun without written permission and in accordance with California Penal Code

Here is the same document but under the UCLA PD letterhead.

http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/brochure/weapon.pdf

[WKC]

But wait, there's more. Here is

UCSD WORKPLACE VIOLENCE
EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK
(Understanding & Preventing)

In the third paragraph of the introduction, they say this:

While the UCSD Police Department offers advice regarding safety strategies, remember, you have the primary responsibility for your own safety. This brochure provides you with a variety of safety suggestions; however, the decision to implement any of the strategies is yours.

But under the Zero Tolerance Policy, they tell you:

Sec. 2
No person shall possess or have control of any firearm, deadly weapon, prohibited knife (626.10PC) or explosive device while on the property of the University of California, San Diego, except as required in the lawful course of business or as authorized by the UCSD Chief of Police.

[tdogg]

Campus shootings are obviously an in-vogue thing right now. If you get your CCW then by all means make your own decision about whether administrative school retribution is worth your life. Of course your issuing agency may also make that call for you and not allow carry at certain places. Getting expelled is obviously a big deal, but personal choice (where legal) is another big deal. I doubt an internet college would not take your money one way or the other and issue you a degree.

The liberal feel good campus rules are great when your not in harms way. If all you've got are unarmed security guards then I'd be very afraid... it's an extremely soft target rich environment for anyone who wants to rackup the body count before being stopped.

[WKC]

I am sure the student, staff, and faculty of Northern Illinois University felt safe because of the precautions they put in place:

Campus Safety Information

SAFETY OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS
The University’s buildings are monitored and patrolled by NIU police officers. University Security Guards patrol the buildings at night. Campus lighting exceeds the industry standard for pedestrian walkways. Shrubbery and other vegetation are kept trimmed to avoid obstructing visibility. Parking lots throughout campus are well lit and routinely patrolled by Department of Public Safety officers. In addition, the parking deck is equipped with a communication system that is connected to the Department of Public Safety. Possession and use of weapons are strictly prohibited on the NIU campus.

That sociology grad student is in a lot of trouble for violating the university policy.

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by WKC

That sociology grad student is in a lot of trouble for violating the university policy.

I imagine that they will probably expell him...