Is CCW revoked simply by relocation

[medicleo]

My CCW was issued in January in Shasta County. I am moving this week to Solano county. I am aware that I must notify Shasta of my new address.

Will my CCW continue to be valid until expiration in January 2009?

My interpretation of the penal code is that the license is issued by the LE agency covering place of residence or principal employment at the time of application, but that it is NOT canceled solely by relocation to another jurisdiction during the period licensed. Providing I comply with the 10 day notification rule and there is no other administrative reason for revocation, I believe that I remain licensed.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience to contradict this?

[Dan M.]

I think you have 90 days once you move to a new county.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by medicleo

My CCW was issued in January in Shasta County. I am moving this week to Solano county. I am aware that I must notify Shasta of my new address.

Will my CCW continue to be valid until expiration in January 2009?

My interpretation of the penal code is that the license is issued by the LE agency covering place of residence or principal employment at the time of application, but that it is NOT canceled solely by relocation to another jurisdiction during the period licensed. Providing I comply with the 10 day notification rule and there is no other administrative reason for revocation, I believe that I remain licensed.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience to contradict this?

After you put in your change of address, your new CCW will expire in 90 days. Hopefully that's enough time to apply with your new county of residence.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Your permit will be valid for 90 days after you move to the new location. You will need to apply to the new issuing authority once you move.

PC 12050 (f)(4)(B)

(B) If the license is one to carry concealed a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, then it
may not be revoked solely because the licensee changes his or her
place of residence to another county if the licensee has not breached
any conditions or restrictions set forth in the license or has not
fallen into a prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1
of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code. However, any license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or
(B) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) shall expire 90 days after
the licensee moves from the county of issuance if the licensee's
place of residence was the basis for issuance of the license.

[OCRancher]

And there you go folks; a definitive answer in 14 minutes.

[CCWInstructor]

Normally the cancel your current one and re-issue a 90 day one.

[zinfull]

I have a hard time with this type of interpetation. To me it said that it can not be revoked due to moving, but it can be revoked after 90 days if the reason for issue was where he lived. If you got one for personal protection and travel this should not change because you have moved. I can understand if the permit was issed due to "living in a bad area of town". I can also see when the permit expires they may not re-issue one. I also know the local powers do not like having others OK permits for their area and this keeps shopping around for permits down. It is just that they are not allowed to cancel the permit due to just a move. Just like the other laws they pick and choose.

Jerry

[medicleo]

Thanks for all the prompt answers - however I am still none the wiser.

My license was not issued, afaik, due to my place of residence. It was requested for several reasons, including receipt of death threats (I don't make friends easily), my occupation (PI / Security Director), my wife's occupation (Armoured Truck Co Manager), etc. I assume the reason for issue was the acceptance of my reasons for requesting it.

Since moving, we both have the same occupations, and I still have state permits for exposed carry as a PI and as a Security Officer.

I'm just sending in my change of address to the issuing county - I'll let you all know what happens.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Technically, all permits are issued because you are a resident of that county, in addition to your good cause.

[CCWInstructor]

Correct! If you read PC 12050, it is issued in the county you resdie in. You no longer reside there, that means another part of 12050 kicks in. The 90 out of county permit.

It's all right there in 12050

[zinfull]

I still have to disagree. It states that in order to be able to be qualified you must live in the area. When you move the part of moving
"it may not be revoked solely because the licensee changes his or her place of residence to another county "
comes to play. They may not like your good cause, ie "I travel with large amounts of cash." but this does not rely on your place of residence for issue. It all points to what they think.
"if the licensee's place of residence was the basis for issuance of the license. "

Let us know what the local police say on your permit. I do think you are correct in this area.

Jerry

[1buba]

Originally Posted by zinfull

I still have to disagree. It states that in order to be able to be qualified you must live in the area. When you move the part of moving
"it may not be revoked solely because the licensee changes his or her place of residence to another county "
comes to play. They may not like your good cause, ie "I travel with large amounts of cash." but this does not rely on your place of residence for issue. It all points to what they think.
"if the licensee's place of residence was the basis for issuance of the license. "

Let us know what the local police say on your permit. I do think you are correct in this area.

Jerry

just read the next item (bold for clarity, added by me):

12050. (a) (1) (A) The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the
person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists
for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of
the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a
course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to
that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the
following formats:
(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(ii) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000
persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a
license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(B) The chief or other head of a municipal police department of
any city or city and county, upon proof that the person applying is
of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and
that the person applying is a resident of that city and has
completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may
issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of
the following formats:
(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(ii) Where the population of the county in which the city is
located is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent
federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in
that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.
(C) The sheriff of a county or the chief or other head of a
municipal police department of any city or city and county, upon
proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good
cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying is a
person who has been deputized or appointed as a peace officer
pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 830.6 by that sheriff
or that chief of police or other head of a municipal police
department, may issue to that person a license to carry concealed a
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person. Direct or indirect fees for the issuance of a license
pursuant to this subparagraph may be waived. The fact that an
applicant for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person has been deputized or
appointed as a peace officer pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of
Section 830.6 shall be considered only for the purpose of issuing a
license pursuant to this subparagraph, and shall not be considered
for the purpose of issuing a license pursuant to subparagraph (A) or
(B).
(D) For the purpose of subparagraph (A), the applicant shall
satisfy any one of the following:
(i) Is a resident of the county or a city within the county.
(ii) Spends a substantial period of time in the applicant's
principal place of employment or business in the county or a city
within the county.
(E) (i) For new license applicants, the course of training may be
any course acceptable to the licensing authority, shall not exceed 16
hours, and shall include instruction on at least firearm safety and
the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm. Notwithstanding
this clause, the licensing authority may require a community college
course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and
Training, up to a maximum of 24 hours, but only if required uniformly
of all license applicants without exception.
(ii) For license renewal applicants, the course of training may be
any course acceptable to the licensing authority, shall be no less
than four hours, and shall include instruction on at least firearm
safety and the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm. No
course of training shall be required for any person certified by the
licensing authority as a trainer for purposes of this subparagraph,
in order for that person to renew a license issued pursuant to this
section.
(2) (A) (i) Except as otherwise provided in clause (ii),
subparagraphs (C) and (D) of this paragraph, and subparagraph (B) of
paragraph (4) of subdivision (f), a license issued pursuant to
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) is valid for any period of
time not to exceed two years from the date of the license.
(ii) If the licensee's place of employment or business was the
basis for issuance of the license pursuant to subparagraph (A) of
paragraph (1), the license is valid for any period of time not to
exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be
valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued.
The licensee shall give a copy of this license to the licensing
authority of the city, county, or city and county in which he or she
resides. The licensing authority that originally issued the license
shall inform the licensee verbally and in writing in at least
16-point type of this obligation to give a copy of the license to the
licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county of
residence. Any application to renew or extend the validity of, or
reissue, the license may be granted only upon the concurrence of the
licensing authority that originally issued the license and the
licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which
the licensee resides.
(B) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (C) of paragraph (1)
to a peace officer appointed pursuant to Section 830.6 is valid for
any period of time not to exceed four years from the date of the
license, except that the license shall be invalid upon the conclusion
of the person's appointment pursuant to Section 830.6 if the
four-year period has not otherwise expired or any other condition
imposed pursuant to this section does not limit the validity of the
license to a shorter time period.
(C) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (B) of
paragraph (1) is valid for any period of time not to exceed three
years from the date of the license if the license is issued to any of
the following individuals:
(i) A judge of a California court of record.
(ii) A full-time court commissioner of a California court of
record.
(iii) A judge of a federal court.
(iv) A magistrate of a federal court.
(D) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (B) of
paragraph (1) is valid for any period of time not to exceed four
years from the date of the license if the license is issued to a
custodial officer who is an employee of the sheriff as provided in
Section 831.5, except that the license shall be invalid upon the
conclusion of the person's employment pursuant to Section 831.5 if
the four-year period has not otherwise expired or any other condition
imposed pursuant to this section does not limit the validity of the
license to a shorter time period.
(3) For purposes of this subdivision, a city or county may be
considered an applicant's "principal place of employment or business"
only if the applicant is physically present in the jurisdiction
during a substantial part of his or her working hours for purposes of
that employment or business.
(b) A license may include any reasonable restrictions or
conditions which the issuing authority deems warranted, including
restrictions as to the time, place, manner, and circumstances under
which the person may carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person.
(c) Any restrictions imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) shall be
indicated on any license issued.
(d) A license shall not be issued if the Department of Justice
determines that the person is within a prohibited class described in
Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the
Welfare and Institutions Code.
(e) (1) The license shall be revoked by the local licensing
authority if at any time either the local licensing authority is
notified by the Department of Justice that a licensee is within a
prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code
or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, or the
local licensing authority determines that the person is within a
prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code
or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(2) If at any time the Department of Justice determines that a
licensee is within a prohibited class described in Section 12021 or
12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and
Institutions Code, the department shall immediately notify the local
licensing authority of the determination.
(3) If the local licensing authority revokes the license, the
Department of Justice shall be notified of the revocation pursuant to
Section 12053. The licensee shall also be immediately notified of
the revocation in writing.
(f) (1) A person issued a license pursuant to this section may
apply to the licensing authority for an amendment to the license to
do one or more of the following:
(A) Add or delete authority to carry a particular pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(B) Authorize the licensee to carry concealed a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(C) If the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons
according to the most recent federal decennial census, authorize the
licensee to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(D) Change any restrictions or conditions on the license,
including restrictions as to the time, place, manner, and
circumstances under which the person may carry a pistol, revolver, or
other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) When the licensee changes his or her address, the license
shall be amended to reflect the new address and a new license shall
be issued pursuant to paragraph (3).
(3) If the licensing authority amends the license, a new license
shall be issued to the licensee reflecting the amendments.
(4) (A) The licensee shall notify the licensing authority in
writing within 10 days of any change in the licensee's place of
residence.
(B) If the license is one to carry concealed a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, then it
may not be revoked solely because the licensee changes his or her
place of residence to another county if the licensee has not breached
any conditions or restrictions set forth in the license or has not
fallen into a prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1
of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code. However, any license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or
(B) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) shall expire 90 days after
the licensee moves from the county of issuance if the licensee's
place of residence was the basis for issuance of the license.
(C) If the license is one to carry loaded and exposed a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, the license shall be revoked immediately if the licensee
changes his or her place of residence to another county.
(5) An amendment to the license does not extend the original
expiration date of the license and the license shall be subject to
renewal at the same time as if the license had not been amended.
(6) An application to amend a license does not constitute an
application for renewal of the license.
(g) Nothing in this article shall preclude the chief or other head
of a municipal police department of any city from entering an
agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located
for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals
of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this article.

Seems pretty clear to me...

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by 1buba

Seems pretty clear to me...

I think thats about the clearest statement I've ever seen out of the Penal Code.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

I think thats about the clearest statement I've ever seen out of the Penal Code.

LOL, except that statement is for a license to open carry, not to CCW.

How about this. Notice the reference to subparagraph D:

12050. (a) (1) (A) The sheriff of a county, upon proof that the
person applying is of good moral character, that good cause exists
for the issuance, and that the person applying satisfies any one of
the conditions specified in subparagraph (D) and has completed a
course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may issue to
that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of the
following formats:
(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(ii) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000
persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a
license to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(B) The chief or other head of a municipal police department of
any city or city and county, upon proof that the person applying is
of good moral character, that good cause exists for the issuance, and
that the person applying is a resident of that city and has
completed a course of training as described in subparagraph (E), may
issue to that person a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in either one of
the following formats:
(i) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(ii) Where the population of the county in which the city is
located is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent
federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in
that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.
(C) The sheriff of a county or the chief or other head of a
municipal police department of any city or city and county, upon
proof that the person applying is of good moral character, that good
cause exists for the issuance, and that the person applying is a
person who has been deputized or appointed as a peace officer
pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 830.6 by that sheriff
or that chief of police or other head of a municipal police
department, may issue to that person a license to carry concealed a
pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person. Direct or indirect fees for the issuance of a license
pursuant to this subparagraph may be waived. The fact that an
applicant for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person has been deputized or
appointed as a peace officer pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of
Section 830.6 shall be considered only for the purpose of issuing a
license pursuant to this subparagraph, and shall not be considered
for the purpose of issuing a license pursuant to subparagraph (A) or
(B).
(D) For the purpose of subparagraph (A), the applicant shall
satisfy any one of the following:
(i) Is a resident of the county or a city within the county.
(ii) Spends a substantial period of time in the applicant's
principal place of employment or business in the county or a city
within the county.
(E) (i) For new license applicants, the course of training may be
any course acceptable to the licensing authority, shall not exceed 16
hours, and shall include instruction on at least firearm safety and
the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm. Notwithstanding
this clause, the licensing authority may require a community college
course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and
Training, up to a maximum of 24 hours, but only if required uniformly
of all license applicants without exception.
(ii) For license renewal applicants, the course of training may be
any course acceptable to the licensing authority, shall be no less
than four hours, and shall include instruction on at least firearm
safety and the law regarding the permissible use of a firearm. No
course of training shall be required for any person certified by the
licensing authority as a trainer for purposes of this subparagraph,
in order for that person to renew a license issued pursuant to this
section.
(2) (A) (i) Except as otherwise provided in clause (ii),
subparagraphs (C) and (D) of this paragraph, and subparagraph (B) of
paragraph (4) of subdivision (f), a license issued pursuant to
subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) is valid for any period of
time not to exceed two years from the date of the license.
(ii) If the licensee's place of employment or business was the
basis for issuance of the license pursuant to subparagraph (A) of
paragraph (1), the license is valid for any period of time not to
exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be
valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued.
The licensee shall give a copy of this license to the licensing
authority of the city, county, or city and county in which he or she
resides. The licensing authority that originally issued the license
shall inform the licensee verbally and in writing in at least
16-point type of this obligation to give a copy of the license to the
licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county of
residence. Any application to renew or extend the validity of, or
reissue, the license may be granted only upon the concurrence of the
licensing authority that originally issued the license and the
licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which
the licensee resides.
(B) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (C) of paragraph (1)
to a peace officer appointed pursuant to Section 830.6 is valid for
any period of time not to exceed four years from the date of the
license, except that the license shall be invalid upon the conclusion
of the person's appointment pursuant to Section 830.6 if the
four-year period has not otherwise expired or any other condition
imposed pursuant to this section does not limit the validity of the
license to a shorter time period.
(C) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (B) of
paragraph (1) is valid for any period of time not to exceed three
years from the date of the license if the license is issued to any of
the following individuals:
(i) A judge of a California court of record.
(ii) A full-time court commissioner of a California court of
record.
(iii) A judge of a federal court.
(iv) A magistrate of a federal court.
(D) A license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or (B) of
paragraph (1) is valid for any period of time not to exceed four
years from the date of the license if the license is issued to a
custodial officer who is an employee of the sheriff as provided in
Section 831.5, except that the license shall be invalid upon the
conclusion of the person's employment pursuant to Section 831.5 if
the four-year period has not otherwise expired or any other condition
imposed pursuant to this section does not limit the validity of the
license to a shorter time period.
(3) For purposes of this subdivision, a city or county may be
considered an applicant's "principal place of employment or business"
only if the applicant is physically present in the jurisdiction
during a substantial part of his or her working hours for purposes of
that employment or business.
(b) A license may include any reasonable restrictions or
conditions which the issuing authority deems warranted, including
restrictions as to the time, place, manner, and circumstances under
which the person may carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person.
(c) Any restrictions imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) shall be
indicated on any license issued.
(d) A license shall not be issued if the Department of Justice
determines that the person is within a prohibited class described in
Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the
Welfare and Institutions Code.
(e) (1) The license shall be revoked by the local licensing
authority if at any time either the local licensing authority is
notified by the Department of Justice that a licensee is within a
prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code
or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, or the
local licensing authority determines that the person is within a
prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code
or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(2) If at any time the Department of Justice determines that a
licensee is within a prohibited class described in Section 12021 or
12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and
Institutions Code, the department shall immediately notify the local
licensing authority of the determination.
(3) If the local licensing authority revokes the license, the
Department of Justice shall be notified of the revocation pursuant to
Section 12053. The licensee shall also be immediately notified of
the revocation in writing.
(f) (1) A person issued a license pursuant to this section may
apply to the licensing authority for an amendment to the license to
do one or more of the following:
(A) Add or delete authority to carry a particular pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(B) Authorize the licensee to carry concealed a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(C) If the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons
according to the most recent federal decennial census, authorize the
licensee to carry loaded and exposed in that county a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person.
(D) Change any restrictions or conditions on the license,
including restrictions as to the time, place, manner, and
circumstances under which the person may carry a pistol, revolver, or
other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) When the licensee changes his or her address, the license
shall be amended to reflect the new address and a new license shall
be issued pursuant to paragraph (3).
(3) If the licensing authority amends the license, a new license
shall be issued to the licensee reflecting the amendments.
(4) (A) The licensee shall notify the licensing authority in
writing within 10 days of any change in the licensee's place of
residence.
(B) If the license is one to carry concealed a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, then it
may not be revoked solely because the licensee changes his or her
place of residence to another county if the licensee has not breached
any conditions or restrictions set forth in the license or has not
fallen into a prohibited class described in Section 12021 or 12021.1
of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code. However, any license issued pursuant to subparagraph (A) or
(B) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) shall expire 90 days after
the licensee moves from the county of issuance if the licensee's
place of residence was the basis for issuance of the license.
(C) If the license is one to carry loaded and exposed a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, the license shall be revoked immediately if the licensee
changes his or her place of residence to another county.
(5) An amendment to the license does not extend the original
expiration date of the license and the license shall be subject to
renewal at the same time as if the license had not been amended.
(6) An application to amend a license does not constitute an
application for renewal of the license.
(g) Nothing in this article shall preclude the chief or other head
of a municipal police department of any city from entering an
agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located
for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals
of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this article.

It's issued because you live in that county, as well as the other reasons. Simply put, you need to renew in the new county.

[1buba]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

LOL, except that statement is for a license to open carry, not to CCW.

Spicy,
Not to argue, but i thought it meant for either OC or CCW (my bold added below):

(C) If the license is one to carry loaded and exposed a pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, the license shall be revoked immediately if the licensee
changes his or her place of residence to another county.

If it is to be concealed, would it not be a CCW permit???