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07-14-2009, 08:21 AM
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Denied, now what?
Hey guys, new here and I'm turning to you for advice.
I'm in Glenn County where I spent 8 years in law enforcement before I chose to leave and start my own P.I. Business. I applied for my ccw with the sheriff and have just been advised that I was denied. In the letter it says they won't tell me why, just basically too bad and by the way, we're keeping the money. I have absolutely NO criminal or civil past, never even had a traffic ticket. Due cause is awsome simply because I've literally put thousands of people behind bars and because I live in a small town, see them on a regular basis. Documented run-ins with the bad guys around my family should have helped the process. I guess my question is what are my options? I really believe that the sheriff, who I've worked under when I was in his jail division, may be biased against me. I'm a POST Certified firearms instructor, yada, yada, yada. If everything is met, do I have a right to be issued a permit? 
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07-14-2009, 08:37 AM
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I'd think the next step would be to appeal the decision. Perhaps doing so would force the reason of your denial to surface.
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07-14-2009, 08:45 AM
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Seems like your business relationship with the sheriff isn't so good. If you can't do any damge control by meeting with him personally, what about Shipley? When is the next election? I'd not vote for Jones just on this issue alone. Maybe the county sups? A third party in the old boy network? I can't imagine that relocating is a good idea for your work contacts.
Good luck.
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07-14-2009, 12:32 PM
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You can appeal the decision though; I'd send an email to greg@firearmstraining.com and see if he can't help you with some suggestions.
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07-14-2009, 12:32 PM
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As far as whether you have a right to be issued a permit, under current California law the answer is no. But there are court cases pending which might change that.
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07-22-2009, 10:32 AM
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Well, I left multiple messages with the background investigator and just heard back.
She said she will not tell me the reason I was denied. She said it is not in her policy to tell me. I have requested a copy of the ccw policy from the s.o. to be faxed to me. She would not tell me anything further. I explained to her my law enforcement experience and the fact that I don't even have a parking ticket. I said my background was squeaky clean and she said she would "catagorize it that way." This leads me to believe that there is information in my background that is incorrect or belongs to somebody else. But, without her telling me the reason for the denial, I can't prove it. This seems like a travesty to me. I've put thousands of people behind bars in the same community that my family and I live in and I can't seem to get a fair shake.
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07-22-2009, 10:59 AM
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As has been said before and elsewhere, some counties have policies against issuing to PI's for PI work...
We recently had a similar issue here in Kern which is normally very reasonable regarding ccw issuance and a number of PI's have permits... however: The PI in question was denied the permit, had to appeal, and was allowed to submit an explaination to articulate the circmustances...in other words, he had to come up with a "good cause" that was unrelated to his work as a PI... the Sheriff felt that the exposed permit would cover his work as a PI... I guess they want PI's carrying exposed or something... go figure... Your a PI and doing a sub rosa and have to sit in a car and wear a "uniform" with my gun exposed on my hip/whatever.... I don't know, but could this sort of thing be an issue in your county? feel free to PM me and we can discuss what the situation was and how he rememedied it locally... not sure it would work in your county.
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07-26-2009, 10:20 PM
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DOJ printout
Go pay for a Livescan yourself to see if it contains anything. It cost me $35 for mine a few months ago. If you still associate with any cops there, see if they can run your name.
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07-27-2009, 06:44 AM
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Requesting your own livescan is fine, but don't ask anybody to run you. It can get them fired, and worse.
Instead, submit a state form BCII 8705. Here's a link to the form in PDF: http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/forms/BCII_8705.pdf Note that the form requires a fingerprint card. I don't know how that is to applied in the livescan world. You may well need to do an actual card.
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07-27-2009, 08:15 AM
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Yeah, looks like it has very little to do with my background at this point so spending even more $ on a livescan that is going to have clean results doesn't sound too appealing. A different background investigator told me that new case law gives me the right to see my background so I'm going that route. Also, I've contacted the County Supervisor's Office's LEO Liason to discuss the matter further.
If all else fails, I'll see if there is a decent case and try the lawyer option. I just don't want to have to go that far if at all possible.
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07-27-2009, 10:18 AM
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Get a lawyer.
The money you spend on a lawyer most likely will be offset as a business expense. It's also a good idea to develop a working relationship with a lawyer who is skilled in this field just in case LEO tries to take away your firearm or should you be involved in a shooting.
N.B. Most PIs are NOT issued CCW. Good luck
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08-06-2009, 03:53 PM
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Well, I had a meeting with the Law Enforcement Liason for the County Supervisor. He in turn went and talked with the Sheriff. He helped broker a meeting between the Sheriff and I on Monday morning. It sounds like if I can help shed some light on some things, the decision has the possibility of being overturned.
I will keep everyone posted.
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08-06-2009, 04:01 PM
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This meeting is just what you need...... There are Sheriff's that deny, but when a meeting is requested it is granted... This may or may not be the case in your situation, but this has happened in some counties. Sorry, but I can't remember the Sheriff's that worked this way.....
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