What about "shall issue" CA Constitutional amendment by proposition?

[cksh8me]

This is a fly in the ointment.


IMPORTANT: Sykes and Gary Gorski - Calguns.net

Gene Hoffman started the ball rolling some time ago. The first big hurddle was getting a case incorporated after the Heller case. The Nordyke case while the Nordykes lost the case still got incorporated. Then the law suits began. They are also working on defeating the approved roster of handguns. There is a way to legally bring in handguns not on the list now but it isn't main stream and is not being used for politcal reasons.

There's a good chance the 10 round mag limit will not be overturned. If it is it will be years from now.

Gene and his band of merry men are also working through legal means to park the AWB also.

[Truckoholic]

Oh please God! Let some common sense be forced upon this pathetic state! We have lived under it's tyranny for far too long now!


I once bought my dad a Rossi .357 revolver through Gunbroker.com before I new about the ridiculous roster of approved hand guns. Then the FFL I was having it shipped to informed me I couldn't buy it, so the person I bought it from ended up getting pissed at me for not knowing the law before messing up his listing so he'd have to relist it. But I was a hell of a lot more pissed off than he was. The same FFL tried to tell me that the Ruger GP100 that I bought for myself was not on the list either, so I had to prove to him that yes it was, only under it's full model number. I can understand the reason behind that list to a point. I understand not wanting guns around that can easily go off if dropped, or sat on wrong and things like that. But to charge the gun manufacturer's upwards of $5,000 or whatever for every gun they have to send in to be tested to be added to the list is just crazy!

And the AWB......... Don't even get me started on that one. The people who use so called "Assault weapons" in crimes, are going to have them regardless of what laws are on the books. They will still have them if the entire country bans them and destroys everyone they can find! They will still be out there, and the only ones who will have them will be the criminals, and those of us made into criminals because we refuse to get rid of our assault rifles. Not long ago, I moved up to Oregon for a while, and the instant I got my Oregon residency, I went out and bought an AK47. I loved that gun! Why? Simply because it is the absolute number one most controversial famous gun in existence. But I value my freedom more than I did that gun, so when I moved back to California, I sold it to a friend up there in Oregon and did not bring it with me, and I do not own a single so called "Assault Rifle" now. But the instant it is legal for me to, whether it happens in California or I end up being forced to move back to Oregon or something, I will be buying another AK47, and an AR15, and a .50 BMG of some type.

[JackOfClubs]

Originally Posted by Truckoholic

I can understand the reason behind that list to a point. I understand not wanting guns around that can easily go off if dropped, or sat on wrong and things like that.

If that were the true reason for the list, we would just list guns that were unsafe. Don't be taken in by the rhetoric. The only reason for the list is to intimidate gun manufacturers into taking their business elsewhere. It is essentially a slow-burn handgun ban.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by JackOfClubs

If that were the true reason for the list, we would just list guns that were unsafe. Don't be taken in by the rhetoric. The only reason for the list is to intimidate gun manufacturers into taking their business elsewhere. It is essentially a slow-burn handgun ban.

Exactly. If it were truly about safety, why would there be exemptions for LEOs?

[Truckoholic]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Exactly. If it were truly about safety, why would there be exemptions for LEOs?

Because LEO's know how to safely handle guns that are unsafe where the rest of us clowns are too stupid to figure them out. I know it's not all about safety. No gun laws are ever actually about safety. Their one and only purpose is to deny us our rights to own guns, and since they can't just come out and take our guns away from us, they have to get very creative.