Unintentional brandishing

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by hbliam

I guess I'm not used to dealing with OC cops. I can't see that I or most guys that I work around would ever make a phone call to the issuing agency if I/we responded to a call and listened to the story and clearly understood that it was unintentional.

I am also shocked that an issuing agency would pull it for that reason. If it was a constant thing happening with the holder I would say pull it. A one time deal? I'd be pretty pissed.

This happens in other counties too. A Long Beach Police officer grabs at a fanny pack at a movie theater and yells "what this!" The CCW holder say "None of your Business!" The cops calls OCSD, the permit gets pulls.

Then the fun begins . . . . . .

The CCW holder happens to be a surgeon at LBMMC, saves the Chief of Long Beach PD sons life after he shoots himself in the butt at the range. The Doc calls the Chief. The Doctor gets a written letter of apology from the officer and the CCW was reissued.

Would you like the names of those involved. Cobb knows the whole story.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

This happens in other counties too. A Long Beach Police officer grabs at a fanny pack at a movie theater and yells "what this!" The CCW holder say "None of your Business!" The cops calls OCSD, the permit gets pulls.

Then the fun begins . . . . . .

The CCW holder happens to be a surgeon at LBMMC, saves the Chief of Long Beach PD sons life after he shoots himself in the butt at the range. The Doc calls the Chief. The Doctor gets a written letter of apology from the officer and the CCW was reissued.

Would you like the names of those involved. Cobb knows the whole story.

I've heard that story before. It was a Sig right? There are other Doc stories that make my blood boil too but I will save those for PM's (im sure you heard some of them).

The difference with regard to my point in the thread is the CCW holder saying "none of your business". I'd make that call too. Isn't one of the OCSD rules to show LEO's your permit upon contact?

I'm not arguing with you (which would be pointless ). I'm just surprised that people innocently/accidently exposing their firearm are getting their CCW yanked. There has to be more to these stories. Kinda like the attitude exhibited in the story you posted.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

This happens in other counties too. A Long Beach Police officer grabs at a fanny pack at a movie theater and yells "what this!" The CCW holder say "None of your Business!" The cops calls OCSD, the permit gets pulls.

Then the fun begins . . . . . .

The CCW holder happens to be a surgeon at LBMMC, saves the Chief of Long Beach PD sons life after he shoots himself in the butt at the range. The Doc calls the Chief. The Doctor gets a written letter of apology from the officer and the CCW was reissued.

Would you like the names of those involved. Cobb knows the whole story.

If a police officer is literally grabbing people out of the blue I would assume that it crosses illegal search and seizure laws. I'm assuming there was more to this story however.

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by hbliam

I'm just surprised that people innocently/accidently exposing their firearm are getting their CCW yanked.

My guess is that the OCSD has zero tolerance for screw ups. If someone lets their gun show once, they may let it happen again. The issuing agency would rather yank the permit than have someone out there carrying who's not careful or will screw up some how.

[DParker]

In a very general sense, it certainly seems that the "big city" cops are of a different mindset than those in rural areas. Things are a great deal more relaxed away from So. Cal.

Heck, a Fresno cop laughed recently telling me about having to constantly tell cab drivers to keep their guns out of sight...and that's without permits. They know the cabbies have a tough job and are frequent targets and they happily look the other way when they carry. Doubt an O.C. or L.A. cop would do the same.

A good guy that has jumped through the hoops to get the permit is the last thing on these cops' minds. They tend to consider us comrades and would never jack us up for some slip-up unless it was something overtly criminal. My Hawaiian shirt getting caught on my grip wouldn't cause a stir with these guys.

[CCWInstructor]

Yes their is more to the Story, I left it out to protect the guilty. I will say the cop was off duty but ID himself verbally ONLY! No Badge, No ID.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Yes their is more to the Story, I left it out to protect the guilty. I will say the cop was off duty but ID himself verbally ONLY! No Badge, No ID.

Well...there you go.

[IAmASensFan]

[NSP]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Yes their is more to the Story, I left it out to protect the guilty. I will say the cop was off duty but ID himself verbally ONLY! No Badge, No ID.

So the LEO was off duty physically searching people?


I can see how the doctor got an apology...

[GlockGirl]

So what do you guys say when it happens to show, or you get an unexpected hug and someone gives you the look?

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by GlockGirl

So what do you guys say when it happens to show, or you get an unexpected hug and someone gives you the look?

Nothing....nadda...nillch... I say nothing.

[G30 Steve]

Originally Posted by GlockGirl

So what do you guys say when it happens to show, or you get an unexpected hug and someone gives you the look?

Always hug lower than them. It forces their hands and arms up, above your waistband.

Don't offer an explanation unless pressed.

If really pressed after a gust of wind or similar exposure I would calmly say, "don't get excited, I have a permit".

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

Nothing....nadda...nillch... I say nothing.

Exactly! And if they ask you about it, just say it's your cell phone, Leatherman, or whatever else you would keep on your waistband.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by GlockGirl

So what do you guys say when it happens to show, or you get an unexpected hug and someone gives you the look?

Like if someone is wearing an iwb in the front? Haha, that's funny to think about...

[GlockGirl]

Thanks guys. I was thinking my insulin pump...I am a girl and I have noticed most women do not carry things on their belts.
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