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01-23-2008, 01:32 PM
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Do You Top Off Your Carry Mags?
The other day at the range, a friend had a failure to feed after his first shot. He said he gets FTFs sometimes when he tops off his mags but never gets them when he doesn't top off.
I don't top off my carry gun and have never had an FTF after the first shot. The reason I don't top off is on recommendations of a few people who have told me that they have had FTFs happen to them. I would be greatful to hear any pros / cons and any actual experiences from you folks out there on this subject. Also, if any LEOs would like to respond, what is your department's policy & why?
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01-23-2008, 01:35 PM
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by "top off" I assume you mean if you have a 7-round mag you are refferring to 7 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. 7+1
That is how i carry and I also practiced that last night at the range so I had 8in my carry gun and no problems.
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01-23-2008, 01:44 PM
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Failure to feed is an indication the weapon is not functioning properly and should be corrected. It should never be the design of a weapon to only function when the magazine is loaded to capacity minus one.
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01-23-2008, 01:49 PM
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01-23-2008, 02:01 PM
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I have seen that problem before. My Kahr PM9 did that (occasionally) when I first got it. I called Kahr and they had me send the barrel in; they polished it up and the problem went away.
Apparently sometimes the extra pressure from a fully loaded mag can interfere with the extraction or chambering when loaded +1. It shouldn't happen with a properly functioning weapon. I always carry +1. I'd hate to get killed for a lack of shooting back. 
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01-23-2008, 02:01 PM
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The subject of down-loading a magazine because of FTC issues is an interesting one. I recommend the following article as food for thought.
--> Firearms Mythbusting - Downloads and popups
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01-23-2008, 03:16 PM
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I have definately seen the problem in the Kahr...
For myself... always load to manufacturers suggested capacity...+1 Glocks, berettas, xd's, colts/clones, para - hi-caps....... With one exception.. I have an old Browning Hi-power with pre-ban mags .. only load 12 +1.... and of course... old model colt/ruger single actions...load 1 skip 1, load 4 more... but my gray hairs is showin again.....  I work for Kern County Probation we have about 125 armed officers as of this week.. we carry glock 22's and still have a few 23's left although they are going the way of the buffalo... small herds on reservation land.... our policy is load down one ie: 14 in 15 round mag with one in the spout... don't know why and getting policy changed is ... well like smashing your head against a brick wall after covering it with a nice paisley cloth.....pretty painful and frustrating....
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01-23-2008, 03:34 PM
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And, hey, nice metaphor.
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01-23-2008, 03:55 PM
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Same way I loaded freight, when I was a freight driver, "high and tight".
Full capacity.
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01-23-2008, 05:33 PM
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I always top off and have never has a problem it has to be the mags, may be the spring is too new, try loading your mags and leaving them (some where safe) for a couple of weeks. Or the spring has a kink in it and is not pushing straight up, make sure you have wilsons if this is a 1911
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01-23-2008, 06:01 PM
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I have an original 3 screw ruger with NO upgrade in .41 mag. This is EXACTLY how I load it. :-)
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01-23-2008, 10:52 PM
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01-23-2008, 11:13 PM
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Thank CCWI. He told me the trick, I just passed it on to you. I give full credit to him.  Glad it worked. 
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01-24-2008, 09:03 AM
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I always top off...coming from a different kind of training and perspective.
My Navy SEAL friends, way back when... told me they never topped off their 1911's for that reason. It was surprising to hear that, but they had a whole philosophy behind it.
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