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08-14-2007, 09:14 AM
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Question on Ca. carry restriction
In California it is illegal to use a "shoot thru" holster. Can someone please illuminate to me why they made this restriction?
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08-14-2007, 09:47 AM
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08-14-2007, 11:52 AM
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That is not a state law, it is Federal law. The holster changes the look of a gun, becuase you can shoot thru it, it changes the gun. "any other weapon"
If you can not shoot thru the holster, it is just a holster. Federal charges were brought against two officers in Florida for using wallet guns. Berrata Model 21 with wallet holsters. They were convicted about 15 years ago.
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08-14-2007, 11:58 AM
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Greg, that makes this really interesting... i would think i could shoot through ANY holster if i can get my finger into the trigger guard (past the cover). I've seen some slide holsters that would be EASY to shoot from. Just wear a narrow belt and have a wide loop on the holster and it would rotate enough (with belt flex) to shoot easily. Are there any other specifics for this?
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08-14-2007, 12:09 PM
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A holster that is desinged to change the shape of the firearms, and desinged with the ability to shoot the gun. Designed is the key wording. It was set up for the wallet holsters, shape like a wallet, yet designed to be fired from it.
Tex Shoemaker made the one in question. "Disclosed is a wallet type holster for concealing a semi automatic weapon in a position to be accurately and precisely carried for use without removal from same. Moreover, the holster appears as a wallet even though a weapon is safely concealed therein for storage in a pocket of a user. The wallet holster includes operative features which permit the use of the weapon and assure the accurate positioning of the weapon within the holster. "
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"A kind word only goes so far, a kind word and a gun goes a lot further" Al Capone 1924 Be Safe, Be Confident, Get Trained! ® Copyrighted 1996 Amateurs Talk Hardware (Guns) Professionals Talk Software (Training) greg@firearmstraining.com Oh Yeah! Piss On Golf! Waste of a good range.
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08-14-2007, 02:58 PM
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Now I'm just more confused. It is legal to carry a gun without it being in a holster. But if you put a piece of leather around it to assist in the concealability (in which I would think that that would be the best purpose having a CCW permit) then it's illegal?
Can someone put it in lamens terms for me?
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"I've read news articles of people getting shot up at bus stops, work, home, restraunts, and 5 year old's birthday parties. All places people would tell me I'd be crazy to bring a gun. And they were right, a crazy guy brought a gun." ~myself
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08-14-2007, 05:34 PM
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If it can be fired from the leater without removing it from the leather. YES!
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"A kind word only goes so far, a kind word and a gun goes a lot further" Al Capone 1924 Be Safe, Be Confident, Get Trained! ® Copyrighted 1996 Amateurs Talk Hardware (Guns) Professionals Talk Software (Training) greg@firearmstraining.com Oh Yeah! Piss On Golf! Waste of a good range.
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08-14-2007, 05:36 PM
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"....in a position to be accurately and precisely carried for use without removal from same.. .. The wallet holster includes operative features which permit the use of the weapon and assure the accurate positioning of the weapon within the holster. "
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"A kind word only goes so far, a kind word and a gun goes a lot further" Al Capone 1924 Be Safe, Be Confident, Get Trained! ® Copyrighted 1996 Amateurs Talk Hardware (Guns) Professionals Talk Software (Training) greg@firearmstraining.com Oh Yeah! Piss On Golf! Waste of a good range.
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08-14-2007, 10:26 PM
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Thanks for the clarification Greg. Got it now.
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08-15-2007, 10:39 AM
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I guess I will just never understand it then. If you can carry a pistol in your pocket, holsterless, legally, I don't see why it would be illegal to wrap the gun in cowhide. Both carry methode have the same usage yet one is illegal.
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"I've read news articles of people getting shot up at bus stops, work, home, restraunts, and 5 year old's birthday parties. All places people would tell me I'd be crazy to bring a gun. And they were right, a crazy guy brought a gun." ~myself
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08-15-2007, 11:05 AM
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NSP, clearly the problem is that you think gun laws are supposed to make sense.
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08-15-2007, 11:07 AM
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To me that is what a pocket holster is for. To keep you from acidentily pulling the trigger. So by nature they all cover the trigger.
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