gunsite low mount thumb saftey

[rundmlee]

Originally Posted by hygyliac

...with the lower safety, the axis of the bore when gripped is higher than normal and therefore would be subject to more muzzle flip.

Did you noticed more muzzle flip, Hygyliac?
I'm having trouble visualizing the change in the axis of the bore when gripped. Seems to me the web of your hand is still high in the grip safety/beaver tail and is independent of the external safety. However, I can see how your thumb changes position relative to a OEM vs lower external safety. Is that enough to affect perceived muzzle flip?
I guess I just need to try one out if I get the chance.

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by hygyliac

Had two separate conversations with a couple people who are walking encyclopedias with regards to the O Frame platform over the weekend. One mentioned that with the lower safety, the axis of the bore when gripped is higher than normal and therefore would be subject to more muzzle flip. I still found it comfortable when shooting strong hand.

Originally Posted by rundmlee

Did you noticed more muzzle flip, Hygyliac?
I'm having trouble visualizing the change in the axis of the bore when gripped. Seems to me the web of your hand is still high in the grip safety/beaver tail and is independent of the external safety. However, I can see how your thumb changes position relative to a OEM vs lower external safety. Is that enough to affect perceived muzzle flip?
I guess I just need to try one out if I get the chance.

I'm a .45 shooter so I expect a certain amount of recoil. As mentioned I found it comfortable to shoot strong hand, but I do understand his statement that a lower grip can have more muzzle flip. I gripped it the way that I normally would and found the thumb resting on a lowered safety lever very pleasant.

[rundmlee]

Originally Posted by hygyliac

I'm a .45 shooter so I expect a certain amount of recoil. As mentioned I found it comfortable to shoot strong hand, but I do understand his statement that a lower grip can have more muzzle flip. I gripped it the way that I normally would and found the thumb resting on a lowered safety lever very pleasant.

Thanks Hygyliac. I'm a .45 shooter as well, and yes, I know there's a certain amount of recoil. What I was wondering was if you were able to notice more muzzle flip with the lowered safety lever vs the normal one. I'm guessing from your response since the lowered safety lever was very pleasant, that you probably did not notice any appreciable increase in muzzle flip.

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by rundmlee

Thanks Hygyliac. I'm a .45 shooter as well, and yes, I know there's a certain amount of recoil. What I was wondering was if you were able to notice more muzzle flip with the lowered safety lever vs the normal one. I'm guessing from your response since the lowered safety lever was very pleasant, that you probably did not notice any appreciable increase in muzzle flip.

Actually no, I used my usual grip on that beast. My thumb just wasn't at an angle.

[napaCCW]

The problem I am having is with the grip safety. I thought the low mount safety would help tighten my grip but it has not. Does anyone else have trouble depressing the grip safety?

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

The problem I am having is with the grip safety. I thought the low mount safety would help tighten my grip but it has not. Does anyone else have trouble depressing the grip safety?

Does your grip safety the palm swell type?

[napaCCW]

I am not sure? what is that exactly?

[hygyliac]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

I am not sure? what is that exactly?

If you look at the picture that AMSMike posted on page one of this thread, the bottom O Frame with the low mount has a grip safety with extra material unlike the grip safety on the O Frame above it. The extra material was supposed to help.

[napaCCW]

I actually did install one of those. And not much help for me.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

The problem I am having is with the grip safety. I thought the low mount safety would help tighten my grip but it has not. Does anyone else have trouble depressing the grip safety?

Just what is the problem you are having with the grip safety? Is it not disengaging unless you put a "death grip" on the gun?

You said you installed a palm swell type grip safety. Did you do that yourself? If so, what fitting work did you do to install it?

[napaCCW]

Originally Posted by WKC

Just what is the problem you are having with the grip safety? Is it not disengaging unless you put a "death grip" on the gun?

You said you installed a palm swell type grip safety. Did you do that yourself? If so, what fitting work did you do to install it?

For whatever reason I dont always engage it do I need more of a death grip? Maybe. And I did install it myself it was the tactical grip safety from kimber and it seemed to drop right in.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

For whatever reason I dont always engage it do I need more of a death grip? Maybe. And I did install it myself it was the tactical grip safety from kimber and it seemed to drop right in.

You should not need a death grip to disengage the GS. The grip safety can be adjusted to make it more "sensitive". Here is what you can do to see just how "sensitive" it is right now.

Drop the mag and check for a clear chamber.


First check just how much travel you have with the grip safety. You can do that with a pencil mark along the back strap with the grip safety pushed all the way in.

Now, with an empty gun pointed in a safe direction, cock the hammer and lower the manual safety. Gently pull the trigger and it will be stopped by the grip safety. Now push on the grip safety with your fingers slowly until the trigger moves and the hammer drops. Now you know how far the GS need to travel to disengage.

If it is almost at the end of its travel, it can be made more sensitive. However, I cannot tell you how to do that since there are many variables to consider.

[napaCCW]

It has to go all the way in to disengage. I guess I should get a smith to check adjust it for me.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

It has to go all the way in to disengage. I guess I should get a smith to check adjust it for me.

You are correct. Somebody needs to see the gun.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by napaCCW

It has to go all the way in to disengage. I guess I should get a smith to check adjust it for me.

I though so. When you installed the GS, you got lucky, .. almost.

I don't recall if this is on the Ultra or TLE. For the Kimber series II, make sure the smith does not set the GS to allow the hammer to fall before the firing pin safety is disengaged. There is a way to see how much margin you have but we'll jump off that bridge when we get to it.

A good smith should be able to take care of it for you.