Gun Oil.......

[X-ffdo]

A good article on gun lub:
http://grantcunningham.com/lubrications101.html

[AMS MIKE]

here ya go my friend

Grant Cunningham - custom revolvers for sport and defense

[X-ffdo]

Thanks Mike!

[maldos]

Wilson combat has a product called the Ultimate Lube. I know it sounds like it should be sold in a brown, unmarked paper sack, but this stuff seems to work very well.

On one of their CDs he (Bill Wilson) tests the product against the better well known lubricants using a loaded bearing machine. All the lubricants used showed wear at the bearing surface when loaded with 5-10 lbs of weight. The friction was great enough to stop the rotating bearing surface.

The Wilson Ultimate Lube did not stop the rotation, or show any wear at full weight. Surprised? I know some are saying "snake oil" product, but it does seem to work well.

I was going to supply a link to the product but their server appears to be down at the present.

[X-ffdo]

Break Free CLP and Eezox faired well in the reports that I am reading

[El Gato]

I like Break Free and buy it in large quantities...

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by El Gato

I like Break Free and buy it in large quantities...

FYI - CLP - Break Free has PTFE(Teflon) in it .... PTFE bonds VERY well to metal and thus gives you very good lubrication .... the only issue is ...... DO NOT use it in your barrel if you desire true accuracy. There have been many blogs on the detrimental affects of PTFE on accuracy in target shooting rifle and pistol barrels. Benchrest shooters avoid anything with PTFE ... I avoid using Break Free at all since there is a chance some of it could make it's way into the bores of my rifle/handguns.

Accuracy is a relative term when looking at IDPA/IPSC, or assorted self defense courses. I am only referring to hitting dimes at 50yds, quarters at 100 yds (with a 22LR) and a 6" center at 600 yards (223/308/30-06 etc ...)

For shotguns and practical pistol, feel free to use CLP and coat away....

I would use Shooter's Choice Solvent, Barnes CR10, Sweets 7.62 Solvent(for Copper residue) and Kroil or Hoppes 9(for carbon & lead residue)... I rarely coat my bores after cleaing since they are going to be on the line again sooner rather than later. For stored items, I do run a patch of Hoppes Gun Oil through the barrel .. then dry it before shooting.

Be very wary of using too much lube as this will collect dust, powder residue and gum up the works ... most people do more harm to their gear by cleaning them more often than is necessary.

IMHO .....

I will answer most questions as I used to represent a local(Norco,CA) grease, oil and specialty lubricant manufacturer.

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by maldos

Wilson combat has a product called the Ultimate Lube. I know it sounds like it should be sold in a brown, unmarked paper sack, but this stuff seems to work very well.

On one of their CDs he (Bill Wilson) tests the product against the better well known lubricants using a loaded bearing machine. All the lubricants used showed wear at the bearing surface when loaded with 5-10 lbs of weight. The friction was great enough to stop the rotating bearing surface.

The Wilson Ultimate Lube did not stop the rotation, or show any wear at full weight. Surprised? I know some are saying "snake oil" product, but it does seem to work well.

I was going to supply a link to the product but their server appears to be down at the present.

The test you are talking about could be the "Timken Load Test." Most industrial greases are in the 35# range for the cheaper stuff and up to 80# for the pricey, heavy loading application grease. Oils are measured a little differently. I would like to have seen the Wilson Lube up against standard 35# Timken Load grease ....

I have seen people(me included) demo their stuff and they use the old "3 in 1 oil", WD 40 or other inferior products as comparisons. I have even used a Zippo to show how one guy's grease runs away faster than my stuff did.... heat test etc ....


FYI - Timken Load Test is the industry standard name of the test, and is not issued as a promotion for their product. It was designed as a test for lubruicants long before Timken started putting their name on cartridges of grease.

[X-ffdo]

NikNak....keep them coming.
Good info, I also leave my barrels clean of anything because after I use the weapon it has less junk to clean out.
I hear M-pro is good, I bought some and will use it to see how it fairs.
That stuff Eezox looks like a good one for safe queens, good anti rust characteristics.

[libertarian]

I mostly use CLP, it works great. I wasn't too impressed with M-Pro7 myself.

Eezox is great for anti-rust, and it cleans pretty well - but it's a bit trickier to use than CLP, as you're supposed to let it dry before reassembly.

I use Montana Extreme 50BMG Copper Killer for anti-copper - that stuff is AMAZING but the smell will burn out your nostril hairs.

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by libertarian

I mostly use CLP, it works great. I wasn't too impressed with M-Pro7 myself.

Eezox is great for anti-rust, and it cleans pretty well - but it's a bit trickier to use than CLP, as you're supposed to let it dry before reassembly.

I use Montana Extreme 50BMG Copper Killer for anti-copper - that stuff is AMAZING but the smell will burn out your nostril hairs.

Most "Copper Killer" stuff .... Barnes CR10, Montana's, Sweet's 7.62 Solvent have a very high ammonia content. That is why it curls your nose hairs. DO NOT leave it in the barrel very long (20 mins max) or it will begin pitting most rifle barrels ... Stainless included. I have seen pitting in the bore from people who plugged the barrel and left Sweets in overnight to "really" get rid of the copper. The borescope showed drastic pitting in the grooves and lands.

Supposedly MPro-7 Copper Remover has no bad smell .... but I have not used it, or tried it.

I have no opinion on Eezox as I have never used it, or looked at the MSDS sheet.

M-Pro7 CLP, made by Pantheon Chemical in Phoenix, AZ.... is really pretty good. It went through extensive testing by the military when they were looking to replace the TW-25(?) stuff. The Mil-Spec'd TW-25(?) has Teflon in it and tended to gum things up (not from the Teflon, just the nature of the product). I am not sure if they had to create a new MilSpec for M-Pro7 since it was a different formulation than the TW-25 ... Most lubricants and cleaners had a difficult time meeting the temperature range that the Mil-Spec required ... the results at -50deg F that kicked some out of the study, but the upper range of 400 degrees also kicked a few out since most "carrying agents" were VOC based and they dissipate very rapidly once the temp goes over +125degF.

I also do not know for sure if M-Pro7 was given a Mil-Spec #, but their CLP exceeds the MilSpec with a tem range of -55F to +800F

I know a little about this because I was working with them to provide base lubricant compounds for some products. Webiste is well worth a look. M-Pro 7

Again, this is just my opinion and YMMV ....

I currently use, have used - Shooters Choice, Sweets 7.62, Kroil, Hoppes 9, Midway's Rust Guard, Huskey 400B, Huskey Chain & Cable Spray, Hoppes Gun Oil, Remington Bore Scrubber. Have not used M-Pro7 series stuff yet since i have lots of others to use up first ... I've seen the lab/test results. It will be my next purchase when i am out.

I have used, but will never again .... WD 40,Break Free CLP, Rem Oil, Any of the Aerosol Products like "Gunscrubber" Beechwood Casey Gun Cleaner etc .. they are just like carb and brake cleaner from the auto store and leave the metal too dry with solids adhered to the metal.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by NikNak

I have used, but will never again .... WD 40,Break Free CLP, Rem Oil, Any of the Aerosol Products like "Gunscrubber" Beechwood Casey Gun Cleaner etc .. they are just like carb and brake cleaner from the auto store and leave the metal too dry with solids adhered to the metal.

I use WD40 all the time.

To start campfires.

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by Bombard

I use WD40 all the time.

To start campfires.

Everything has it's purpose .... I knew this girl once.....

[rundmlee]

I've had good results with Prolix cleaning and lubing products for my Glocks.
Prolix Lubricants Home Page

[X-ffdo]

I have heard of Ultimate Lube and sounds like it would be a good product to be used for areas of the weapon like the gun slide/frame area, and barrel lugs.