TRP guide rod discussion

[rycerz]

I'm going through some reviews of the Springfield TRP and the repeating theme is the guide rod discussion. On one of the sites there is the following:

I wouldn’t recommend the full-length guide rod that came with the factory I would replace with a stock guide rod. Full Length guide rods are really a “fix” for bad bushings on new guns they can do more harm than good by spreading your groups rather than tighten them. Adding them to pistols from the factory is really a marketing ploy and not a good idea in engineering. A good hard metal bushing with a tight bushing to barrel to slide fit is the secret and has been the secret to all the accuracy and repeatability in the 1911A1 since it was first dreamt up by father of modern firearms John Browning.

Thoughts?

[WKC]

I see no reason for the FLGR. I replaced it on my 5" gun and have not had a problem with it. I am not sure about his statement regarding effect on accuracy. Having the standard guide rod will make maintenance a lot easier.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by WKC

I see no reason for the FLGR. I replaced it on my 5" gun and have not had a problem with it. I am not sure about his statement regarding effect on accuracy. Having the standard guide rod will make maintenance a lot easier.

Hmmm now I gotta figure out which plug rod spring combo I wanna go with

[WKC]

You think too much. Just use the short guide rod and plug the way God told J Moses Browning to design it.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by WKC

I see no reason for the FLGR. I replaced it on my 5" gun and have not had a problem with it. I am not sure about his statement regarding effect on accuracy. Having the standard guide rod will make maintenance a lot easier.

Oh so true!

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by rycerz

Hmmm now I gotta figure out which plug rod spring combo I wanna go with

You should have bought the Kimber....

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

You should of bought the Kimber....

Chris, do you still have the stock guide rod/plug/spring in your Custom II?

[WKC]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

You should have bought the Kimber....

The TRP has no firing pin safety.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by WKC

The TRP has no firing pin safety.

So if he loaned it to his neighbor to examine, and said neighbor then dropped it in his garage, it might fire? Holy cow!

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by Dan M.

Chris, do you still have the stock guide rod/plug/spring in your Custom II?

I do, it is pretty easy to deal with, it does not have the threaded bushing...just a slightly longer guide rod.

The Warrior has the shorty guide rod, which was the original 1911 design, no difference in terms of maintenence or field stripping, IMHO. In regards to accuracy and performance and weight, they are about the same.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

I do, it is pretty easy to deal with, it does not have the threaded bushing...just a slightly longer guide rod.

The Warrior has the shorty guide rod, which was the original 1911 design, no difference in terms of maintenence or field stripping, IMHO. In regards to accuracy and performance and weight, they are about the same.

OK, I'm confused: is the custom II full length? shorty? or something else?

[WKC]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

So if he loaned it to his neighbor to examine, and said neighbor then dropped it in his garage, it might fire? Holy cow!

No. The FP safety was put in to satisfy the lawyers. Also, Springfield uses a Titanium FP. Very low mass.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by rycerz

OK, I'm confused: is the custom II full length? shorty? or something else?

The Custom II uses a sort of hybrid version of the shorty guide rod---it is slightly longer, but not the full length threaded type that the Springfields use. I could exchange it with a shorty guide rod with no other parts changed, but functionally and from a maint. perspective it is identical to the shorty guide rod...



The big difference is in the ones that Springfield ships, theirs have a threaded hole in front, and you screw it in with an allen wrench, yuck. You should swap that one out with one of these, just one less tool to hunt down in the field.

Kimber Warrior ships with the short 1.75" in guide rod, Kimber Custom II ships with the 4" guide rod.

A Springfield, because of their threaded guide rod, would require replacing the guide rod + guide rod plug.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by WKC

You think too much. Just use the short guide rod and plug the way God told J Moses Browning to design it.

The flgr is a pain... my springfield would occasionally malfunction with it installed... got out my Brownells Catalog and ordered a replacement kit... some generic one I think.... the gun has never failed to feed since....we hates flgr's, we hates them we does...nasty flgr's... they wants to mess with the prescious...we hates that

[WKC]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

The Custom II uses a sort of hybrid version of the shorty guide rod---it is slightly longer, but not the full length threaded type that the Springfields use. I could exchange it with a shorty guide rod with no other parts changed, but functionally and from a maint. perspective it is identical to the shorty guide rod...



The big difference is in the ones that Springfield ships, theirs have a threaded hole in front, and you screw it in with an allen wrench, yuck. You should swap that one out with one of these, just one less tool to hunt down in the field.

Kimber Warrior ships with the short 1.75" in guide rod, Kimber Custom II ships with the 4" guide rod.

A Springfield, because of their threaded guide rod, would require replacing the guide rod + guide rod plug.

Get the short one and use a standard recoil spring plug. The 4" guide rod will require a plug with a hole in it. There is no reason to do otherwise with a Gov (5") model.