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Old 11-14-2007, 07:19 PM
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Default Why Clockwise and why right hand breech

Do most wheel guns rotate clockwise when fired?

Why is the loading breech on the outside for a right handed shooter?

Is there some kind of ergonomic advantage? Withdraw cartridge from belt with right hand, hold weapon in left, load with right hand. Seems to me if the loading breech were on the inside for a right handed shooter, the reloading process might be expedited.

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Old 11-14-2007, 07:41 PM
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Do most wheel guns rotate clockwise when fired?
Only in the Norther Hemisphere -- Coriolis effect.

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Why is the loading breech on the outside for a right handed shooter?

Is there some kind of ergonomic advantage? Withdraw cartridge from belt with right hand, hold weapon in left, load with right hand. Seems to me if the loading breech were on the inside for a right handed shooter, the reloading process might be expedited.
It'd be harder to hold the pommel with the gun in hand while reloading.
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In my experience, it seems to me that, being right-handed (as are the majority of people obviously) if you hold the frame of the gun in your left hand, with your two middle fingers through the breach to hold the cylinder, when you are done loading with your right hand, and repostion the cylinder, grabbing the grip of the gun with your shooting hand is faster.

If the cylinder opened on the right side, and you held the gun with your right hand, while loading with your left, you'd have to transfer the gun to your left hand then grab the grip with your right hand. It would take longer.
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Colts turn clockwise, Smiths and Rugers turn CCW (pun intended)
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It sounds like you are talking about single action revolvers.

If so the design of the gun had the loading gate on the outside because you are shooting it with the wrong hand.

The gun was designed for left handed shooters.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:13 AM
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Since I’m a revolver kind of guy…

If you hold the revolver as The Gimper describes, your left hand forms a natural cup that catches bullets that “just didn’t make it in.” Thereby saving you the embarrassment of having to pick those stray cartridges out of the mud.

Somebody was thinking long before I came along.
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In my experience, it seems to me that, being right-handed (as are the majority of people obviously) if you hold the frame of the gun in your left hand, with your two middle fingers through the breach to hold the cylinder, when you are done loading with your right hand, and repostion the cylinder, grabbing the grip of the gun with your shooting hand is faster.

If the cylinder opened on the right side, and you held the gun with your right hand, while loading with your left, you'd have to transfer the gun to your left hand then grab the grip with your right hand. It would take longer.
I think he may have been asking about the position of the loading breech (i.e. gate) rather than which side the cylinder opened.
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Anybody know where I can get a spare magazine for a s&w j-frame?





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Do most wheel guns rotate clockwise when fired?

Why is the loading breech on the outside for a right handed shooter?

Is there some kind of ergonomic advantage? Withdraw cartridge from belt with right hand, hold weapon in left, load with right hand. Seems to me if the loading breech were on the inside for a right handed shooter, the reloading process might be expedited.

Your thoughts please.

Best wishes,

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if you are referring to single action revolvers there are other people who share the same opinion (Cylinder (firearms) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. SAA copies with the loading gate on the left have been made before. It would in fact make sense.
DA revolvers is a different story.
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Magazines for S&W J-Frames were pulled from production because they were found to have an uncorrectable safety issue. They will also work in K, L, N and even X Frames, often with disasterous results.

Magazines for X-Frames seem to be quite reliable. They are HUGE, however, and subsequently, are not very popular.

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