Do I Have A Shot?

[More Cowbell]

I wonder if a retiree who misses one of those conditions, such as not serving 15 years, has to apply for a CCW rather than get the HR218 endorsement.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by More Cowbell

I wonder if a retiree who misses one of those conditions, such as not serving 15 years, has to apply for a CCW rather than get the HR218 endorsement.

I would think that if you don't meet the qualifications then it doesn't apply to you.

As a Reserve it applies to us when employed but for the majority of Reserve's it no longer applies at retirement no matter how many years we do. We don't meet the "retirement benefit" line item.

And we have threadjacked the hell out of this thread.

Sorry OP.

[cockedlocked01]

Sorry, too. To answer the original question, no, he's not going to have a chance, sorry.

As to the less than 15 yrs, they won't get it. However, most FT LE that do retire with less than 15 yrs usually do so because of a medical retirement, & that's an exemption. Meaning they get an endorsement & can carry anywhere in U.S., per HR 218.

[FVK]

Thanks for the hearty welcome and advice. I read over the LA county FAQ, and even though my chances may be slim, I will pursue it and experience for myself the bureaucratic challenges that lie ahead.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by hbliam

There is no CCW to apply for. If they meet the criteria they can carry. Just like a FT LEO does not have a formal CCW permit issued.

I'm trying, but I'm not finding, where I apparently said he had to apply for a CCW.


What I DID say, was that if I remembered correctly, I believe he had to indicated that he wanted the endorsement on his retired ID, that it was not an automatic process. He medically retired, so would that be different?

I'll check with him in an hour and find out the details. Like I said initially, I could have misunderstood what he was talking about, because I know it took several weeks for his retired ID to come in.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

I'm trying, but I'm not finding, where I apparently said he had to apply for a CCW.

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

Yes...I have several friends who are retired Feds, who don't have the ability to CCW...because they never bothered to apply under HR 218. If they did, they could carry.

I may have misunderstood my friend, but even as a retired local LEO, It appeared that he still had to indicate his desire to have the CCW "endorsement". I'll have to clarify what he was saying about that though.

Maybe I misunderstand the above.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Maybe I misunderstand the above.

Yes...those are feds...the one in the second paragraph is a local (city) LEO (retired).

I verified with him tonight what the situation was. I was combining two incidents into one. He had to requalify on the range. His ID card, with that qualification, automatically allowed him to carry once it was in his possession, 6 weeks after retirement. He has to requalify annually in order to continue carrying concealed.

Symantecs.

As far as HR 218 is concerned, my friend who is a retired Treasury Dept Agent (Secret Service), retired about 15 years ago. He cannot carry.

What about Identification for Retired Officers?

(d) The identification required by this subsection is--

`(1) a photographic identification [emphasis added] issued by the agency from which the individual retired from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the standards established by the agency for training and qualification for active law enforcement officers to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or

`(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual retired from service as a law enforcement officer; and

`(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State to meet the standards established by the State for training and qualification for active law enforcement officers to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.

Technically, they don't have to "apply", but for him to now be able to carry concealed, he would have to go through a process...it is not automatic...therefore, he DOES have to "apply" to Carry Concealed. It is through his agency, not DOJ.

There are several retired Feds in LA County who HAVE CCW's. They have them because HB 218 wasn't in effect til 2004. Also, if you are an Retired LEO, and you choose to become a PI, or a Body Guard, you have to get a CCW in order to be able to carry concealed while working in that environment.

[G30 Steve]

Originally Posted by More Cowbell

I wonder if a retiree who misses one of those conditions, such as not serving 15 years, has to apply for a CCW rather than get the HR218 endorsement.

Yes

[cockedlocked01]

Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

There are several retired Feds in LA County who HAVE CCW's. They have them because HB 218 wasn't in effect til 2004. Also, if you are an Retired LEO, and you choose to become a PI, or a Body Guard, you have to get a CCW in order to be able to carry concealed while working in that environment.

They have to get a CCW, or just a gun card, as well the other appropriate licenses?

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by cockedlocked01

They have to get a CCW, or just a gun card, as well the other appropriate licenses?

Retired Feds who did not automatically have the right to carry concealed upon retirement would have had to get a CCW, yes.

Retired Feds being able to Carry Concealed has only been in effect, as was explained to me, since HB 218. Many who retired prior to that applied for and recieved CCW's for their second professions in the Security/PI field.

Yeah, they can go back to their Agency and request the range qualification time so they can carry under HB 218. I don't know why they WOULDN'T, except that it may be more appropriate for them to keep the CCW under their new profession. What the hell, it's a business write off for them anyways.

[CalCCW03]

Gentlemen, this thread is being hijacked. Let's get back on topic please.

[IAmASensFan]

Originally Posted by CalCCW03

Gentlemen, this thread is being hijacked. Let's get back on topic please.

Ok...and that was what, again?

[CCWInstructor]

Yes it was hijacked and now I know why I got several IM's today about retired Feds and HR218. They still need a CCW, read PC12050.