How long is a CCW valided for?

[joe]

I'm sorry if I'm asking a stupid question , but I cant seem to find any information on this. How long is a CCW permit valid for? I've looked everywhere for information and I can’t find it. Is there a state mandated time period or is it county specific?

Thanks,

- Joe

:EDIT: Apperently I cant type tonight, title should read How long is a CCW valid for?

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by joe

I'm sorry if I'm asking a stupid question , but I cant seem to find any information on this. How long is a CCW permit valid for? I've looked everywhere for information and I can’t find it. Is there a state mandated time period or is it county specific?

Thanks,

- Joe

Depends:

-90 Days
-2 years (Resident)
-3 years (Judicial)
-4 years (Reserve)

[joe]

thank you

[Apeman88]

Originally Posted by hbliam

Depends:

-90 Days
-2 years (Resident)
-3 years (Judicial)
-4 years (Reserve)

Sworn LEO don't need a CCW to carry at anytime... and thought reserves are sworn LEO as well... so why would they need a CCW?

[Hammer]

Reserves are considered parttime. CCW required for off duty carry. Penal code only covers fulltime sworn officers.

[Apeman88]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Reserves are considered parttime. CCW required for off duty carry. Penal code only covers fulltime sworn officers.

ic... thanks! Learn something everyday!

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Reserves are considered parttime. CCW required for off duty carry. Penal code only covers fulltime sworn officers.

It also depends on how the department classifies reserves. I know LA County Sheriff has four levels of Reserves - Level III, Level II, Level I, and Level I-D. The level I-D has 24-hour peace officer status. However, POST only classifies 3 levels of Reserves. I think the Level I-D might be considered a "full-time" peace officer, but since they are classified as "reserves" by the LASD they just don't get paid.

LASD Reserve Deputy Sheriff Program - What is a Reserve Deputy?

[glockman19]

Sworn LEO don't need a CCW to carry at anytime... and thought reserves are sworn LEO as well... so why would they need a CCW?

LAPD Reserves Level 1 & 2 Do NOT need CCW's they are allowed to carry off duty concealed.

Hammer - Reserves are considered parttime. CCW required for off duty carry. Penal code only covers fulltime sworn officers.

WRONG they are considered Active Sworn officers and again LAPD Level 1 & 2 can carrry concealed off duty. Word is they will extend this to level 3 Reserves in the next year.

I know because I am becomming a Reserve officer in the LAPD.

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

It also depends on how the department classifies reserves. I know LA County Sheriff has four levels of Reserves - Level III, Level II, Level I, and Level I-D. The level I-D has 24-hour peace officer status. However, POST only classifies 3 levels of Reserves. I think the Level I-D might be considered a "full-time" peace officer, but since they are classified as "reserves" by the LASD they just don't get paid.

LASD Reserve Deputy Sheriff Program - What is a Reserve Deputy?

The Designated Level 1 Reserve is what you're referring to...

It's found in PC 830.6

(a) (2) Whenever any qualified person is deputized or appointed by the proper authority as a reserve or auxiliary sheriff or city police officer, a reserve deputy sheriff, a reserve deputy marshal, a reserve park ranger, a reserve police officer of a regional park district, transit district, community college district, or school district, a reserve harbor or port police officer of a county, city, or district as specified in Section 663.5 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, a reserve officer of a community service district that is authorized under subdivision (h) of Section 61600 of the Government Code to maintain a police department or other police protection, or a reserve officer of a police protection district formed under Part 1 (commencing with Section 20000) of Division 14 of the Health and Safety Code, and is so designated by local ordinance or, if the local agency is not authorized to act by ordinance, by resolution, either individually or by class, and is assigned to the prevention and detection of crime and the general enforcement of the laws of this state by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 832.6. The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph includes the full powers and duties of a peace officer as provided by Section 830.1. A transit, harbor, or port district reserve police officer, or a city or county reserve peace officer who is not provided with the powers and duties authorized by Section 830.1, has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.33, or in the case of a reserve park ranger, the powers and duties that are authorized in Section 830.31, and a school district reserve police officer or a community college district reserve police officer has the powers and duties authorized in Section 830.32.

The stuff in bold is where that authority comes from. That basically gives those "Designated" Reserve Officers 24/7 Peace Officer Status instead of "On-Duty Only" Peace Officer status.

Additionally, POST only needs to recognize those 3 levels of Peace Officer. The local authority is who determines which L1's are 24/7 Peace Officers, not POST.

[CCWInstructor]

Some COP and Sheriffs are not doing 4 year permits anymore. They are stamping ID endorsed to carry and letting HR218 do the rest.

[hbliam]

Reserves are covered under HR218 on duty or not, designated or not. We technically don't need a CCW to carry concealed anywhere in the USA. Each specific department can mandate any criteria they want. Mine mandates that each Reserve that wants to carry concealed must have be a Level I off training and apply for and secure a CCW from the Department. They no longer have to go through the DOJ though. It is all handled in house.

Additionally. I have been instructed that if I were to be placed in a postion that required me to act while off duty that I am to identify myself (if able) as a LEO and take action per our policy. Meaning I am now "on duty".

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by glockman19

LAPD Reserves Level 1 & 2 Do NOT need CCW's they are allowed to carry off duty concealed.

WRONG they are considered Active Sworn officers and again LAPD Level 1 & 2 can carrry concealed off duty. Word is they will extend this to level 3 Reserves in the next year.

I know because I am becomming a Reserve officer in the LAPD.

I'd be pretty shocked if LAPD extended that to Level III's. Where are you getting this information? I have several friends there and never heard that a Level II would have carry rights.

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

Some COP and Sheriffs are not doing 4 year permits anymore. They are stamping ID endorsed to carry and letting HR218 do the rest.

That = CCW until you no longer qualified to do so...

I was going to wait for someone to respond to with that... The former HR218, now the LEOSA of 2004, made things much more interesting with regards to CCW as it applies to LEOs. I don't mean that necessarily in a good way. Yes, the LEOSA overrides certain portions of state/local law. One of the problems is that it MAY override local agency policy... and it may NOT. It does not explicitly say so. It also does NOT make any changes to the FEDERAL Gun Free School Zone Act... So that could be an issue.

Stamping the ID in such a manner as to make it plain as day that the bearer is a LEOSA "Qualified LEO" is a good thing in that it removes any doubt whether or not the bearer is a QLEO or not. A Reserve Officer may be in fact a QLEO even if the ID doesn't say that and therefore may be able to CCW without the license, but the LEOSA was written very broadly, doesn't address the issue adequately, and quite frankly, there isn't any case law that I'm aware of establishing whether or not the LEOSA does or does not override agency policy.

Keeping the above in mind... and that LEOs are generally law-abiding people (like most everyone else) I'm not at all surprised that no-one has volunteered to be be the "Test Case" on this. The Reserve Officer has invested quite a bit of time, energy, and money in becoming a Reserve and do good things for the community. Do you think that they'd be willing to toss all that aside because it's possible that the LEOSA overrides agency policy? I don't think so...

If I've said it once... The LEOSA is a good idea that became poorly written law. Now it is badly in need of refinement... and no-one's willing to be the test case to do so!

Thanks CCWI for bringing this up... You already know how I feel about this particular issue...