Update on CCW in Ventura County

[Rob P.]

Sorry for the delay but I've been busy with work. I passed the 90 day milestone earlier this month. No calls, no letters, no nada from VCSD on my application so far. According to the info in the packet, they're going to call to schedule a telephone interview but.....

I have to say that I'm a bit irked at the delay. (although I'm aware of the 'it could take up to a year bit.) PC 12052.5 says I need to be notified within 90 days or within 30 days of my background check whichever is later. The packet also says it will be a telephone interview. How hard is it to call someone within 90 days to ask them a couple of questions for which you already have the answers? And how long does a background check take for the sheriff to do? 3 months? 4? 9 thousand? It's the friggin COUNTY SHERIFF for heavens sake. It's not like they don't have access to a data base or anything.

I'm considering a letter to the Sheriff about this but haven't decided whether to do it or not. I do believe that the delay is intentional as it will cause people to give up & withdrwaw their app thereby preventing the SD from denying the permit and messing up their data.

Anyway, there it is - 90 days and counting.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

I have to say that I'm a bit irked at the delay. (although I'm aware of the 'it could take up to a year bit.) PC 12052.5 says I need to be notified within 90 days or within 30 days of my background check whichever is later. The packet also says it will be a telephone interview. How hard is it to call someone within 90 days to ask them a couple of questions for which you already have the answers?

They won't do the background check till after the phone interview. They are well within their legal right then. DO NOT write the letter! This is a test! Don't fail it.

12052.5. The licensing authority shall give written notice to the
applicant indicating if the license is approved or denied within 90
days of the initial application for a new license or a license
renewal or 30 days after receipt of the applicant's criminal
background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later.

[hygyliac]

Hang tough and hang patiently Friend, we are all behind you!
Kinda like waiting that final 2 hours of a DROS!

[X-ffdo]

I fully understand what you are going through. I am afraid that a letter will not, in the end, help you, nor deter anyone from doing what they are doing.
If they are indeed doing what you think they are doing, and for the reason that you think they are doing it, then you will have "tripped" the mine, and fallen in their trap.
These are so call "Social engineering" tactics, criminals use it, specially con men. For those who know and study the mind, it is available as "triggering devices". Because some people have an agenda to fulfill, they do not care about anyone else or anything else, but their own agenda, even if it is unethical, they still will do it, even if they have sworn to defend this country, because in their minds, they have decided that is what is right for themselves, and ultimately for everyone else. The solution.....election time!. When they are hurt in the pocket, when they are thrown out of office, it all goes out the window, that is the "hour of recollection". And then retirement....good bye!!!!!!! If your life has been threatened and you can't get a CCW permit in a timely manner to defend yourself, you will have to make a choice. Remember, action brings results. Start to be active to remove from office those who do not serve the interests and protect the lives of those they have sworn to defend.
"Down 50, left 200"
"FIRE FOR EFFECT"

[JerichoGirl]

Hi Rob,

I understand your frustration with the length of the process. I applied for my CCW Jan 31, 2007 in Ventura County and received my CCW mid-December.

For those of you curious about the process, I will explain how mine went. I cannot tell you your experience will be the same.

Jan 31, 2007- Submitted complete application to the VC Sheriff's Department (they did not require anything but the app).

Approx May 1- Called Sheriff's office for my status. They stated I was several months off from my intervirew but they noticed that my GC statement involved my work. They asked for a statement from the owner of the company stating that he was aware I had applied and would be carrying. Faxed letter from my boss to Sheriff's station on May 10, 2007.

Beginning of October- Interview at Sheriff's department. I was told I did not need to bring anything. Questioned about my GC statement. At this point I was told my background check was complete and I would hear in 2 weeks by mail if I was approved. (The interviewing officer does not make the final approval.)

Mid October- Approval letter received. Needed to go in for fingerprinting.

End of October- Fingerprinted and paid $200 for background check and fingerprinting. Was told as soon as I completed my CCW training I would receive my permit.

Immediately ordered my Kahr PM9 and after the waiting period I spent a week breaking it in. Due to a 3 week vacation I didn't complete my training until the end of November.

Mid Dec- CCW issued, received in mail.

Based on what I have read about other counties VC seemed fairly straight forward. I did not have to provide letters of recommendation, utility bills or even take in my two weapons for an inspection. I assume this could be different based on the individual. I have been a homeowner in the county for 18 years and don't even have a traffic ticket on my record (thanks to traffic school).

Though long, it was a pleasure going through this process in VC. The Sheriff's Department is extremely professional and helpful. Maria can answer almost any question for you and will do it cheerfully.

If you haven't applied and have "Good Cause" I think it's worth the wait.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by JerichoGirl

Though long, it was a pleasure going through this process in VC. The Sheriff's Department is extremely professional and helpful. Maria can answer almost any question for you and will do it cheerfully.

There is a voice from the past. Welcome aboard.

[OCRancher]

Based on what I have read about other counties VC seemed fairly straight forward. I did not have to provide letters of recommendation, utility bills or even take in my two weapons for an inspection. I assume this could be different based on the individual. I have been a homeowner in the county for 18 years and don't even have a traffic ticket on my record (thanks to traffic school).

Wow, that is even easier than OC, except for the time delays. And you woul dhave had your permit about 3-4 weeks earlier if you weren't off playing in the Carribean!

[JerichoGirl]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Wow, that is even easier than OC, except for the time delays. And you woul dhave had your permit about 3-4 weeks earlier if you weren't off playing in the Carribean!

Ahh, that would have been Maui. : )

[Rob P.]

So, based on your timeline (which isn't THEIR timeline) I should expect an interview call sometime in mid April 2008. Which is sort of good to know but frustrating all the same because of the unnecessary delay.

[spc]

Welcome back JerichoGirl. and congrats on your permit.

I am sure those from VC will appreciate this permit time scale breakdown from you and I hope it encourages more from your neighborhood to apply.

spc

PS,,, you need to get your CCW icon next to your avitar. Contact the moderators.

[Rob P.]

Well, I called VCSO about a status update on my application. I spoke with one of the 2 guys who do the paperwork. Very nice sounding fellow BTW.

They are apparently in total overload. He said that he just did the interview TODAY for an application submitted in June 2006 (which makes you wonder if they are taking them in order of submission since jerichogirl submitted hers in Jan 07 and got hers in Dec 07).

I'm # 75 in line (well, "in the drawer" as he put it). They process at <1 per WEEK.

He said that since the VTech incident the number of applications has seriously gone up. They just got another 30 applications in. In the past when things weren't as bad as they are now the sheriff has taken the overload and given it to another dept to help do but whether he'll do that now is unknown. Meanwhile my pajamas are out swinging on the clothesline so to speak.

I can request "expedited processing" if I have a provable need for immediate processing (which I don't) from the sheriff or undersheriff. Not going to bother as I don't have the need (Today that is. Tomorrow may be different in my line of work).

At this rate I might get my permit sometime in mid-2010. (and probably with a renewal date in 2009.) Very sad state of affairs.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by Rob P.

Well, I called VCSO about a status update on my application. I spoke with one of the 2 guys who do the paperwork. Very nice sounding fellow BTW.

They are apparently in total overload. He said that he just did the interview TODAY for an application submitted in June 2006 (which makes you wonder if they are taking them in order of submission since jerichogirl submitted hers in Jan 07 and got hers in Dec 07).

I'm # 75 in line (well, "in the drawer" as he put it). They process at <1 per WEEK.

He said that since the VTech incident the number of applications has seriously gone up. They just got another 30 applications in. In the past when things weren't as bad as they are now the sheriff has taken the overload and given it to another dept to help do but whether he'll do that now is unknown. Meanwhile my pajamas are out swinging on the clothesline so to speak.

I can request "expedited processing" if I have a provable need for immediate processing (which I don't) from the sheriff or undersheriff. Not going to bother as I don't have the need (Today that is. Tomorrow may be different in my line of work).

At this rate I might get my permit sometime in mid-2010. (and probably with a renewal date in 2009.) Very sad state of affairs.

Yes indeed. One would hope that with that many applications they could justify hiring some additional help (at least part time) to handle the initial paperwork/interview.

[Rob P.]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Yes indeed. One would hope that with that many applications they could justify hiring some additional help (at least part time) to handle the initial paperwork/interview.

Currently there are only TWO people doing ALL the processing and they are retired VOLUNTEERS limited to part-time. While I"m sure that they are working hard and diligent, however, the whole situation is starting to smell funny at the highest levels.

No budget?
No personnel?
Huge 1-2yr backog and growing?

Houston, we have a problem...