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Old 06-02-2007, 03:12 PM
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Does anybody know if it's possible for a Federal Agent to obtain a CCW in LA County? Is there a faster process for Federal Law Enforcement Officers? In other words, are they willing to expedite?

If anyone has any info on this matter, please let me know.

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are you currently employed as Fed LEO ? or retired?
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If you are an active Fed. unless your Creds. specify otherwise, you should be "Good to go".
If you are retired, then LEOSA comes into play, provided you meet the requirements.
Right guys?
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Federal LEO's can not Carry of duty in California. Our Penal code does not recognize Federal LE's. Federal agencies ARE NOT qualify their officers after they retire. As a result H.R. 218 does not apply.

That is why the question is being ask. The answer to your question is no. They do not get fast tracked.
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Well....that did it!
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Federal LEO's can not Carry of duty in California. Our Penal code does not recognize Federal LE's. Federal agencies ARE NOT qualify their officers after they retire. As a result H.R. 218 does not apply.

That is why the question is being ask. The answer to your question is no. They do not get fast tracked.
I am having a difficult time with this one. May be it's your typing or my reading. So let me see if I read this correctly. Federal LEO's such as FBI, Secret Service, ATF , or US Marshall are not allowed to carry off duty.
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I am having a difficult time with this one. May be it's your typing or my reading. So let me see if I read this correctly. Federal LEO's such as FBI, Secret Service, ATF , or US Marshall are not allowed to carry off duty.
Regardless of what the Penal Code says, the thought of a Federal LEO being prosecuted in CA for off-duty carry is a far cry ... the state/local authorities would bring a helluva lot of negative attention to themselves if they even tried. I believe they'd hurt their anti-gun agenda by attempting to prosecute a Federal Agent for carrying a weapon off-duty.
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I think he/we may be reading this wrong. I have come across plenty of off duty feds with guns. I really don't see how a State penal code would have the authority to prohibit a Fed from carrying not to mention HR218 covers them while active.

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You read it correctly. As a professional courtesy They are not popped. The one that was, it was transfered to federal court and the charges were dropped.

It is a well know fact, they do not have the authority to carry off duty. Find in the penal code where is says they can off duty. Some Federal agents take my ccw class so they can carry off duty.
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This is one instance where I do appreciate the concept of "professional courtesy". Why has this situation not been addressed properly through legislative changes?
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CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 830




830. Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and
who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer
is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law,
no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace
officer. The restriction of peace officer functions of any public
officer or employee shall not affect his or her status for purposes
of retirement.



830.1. (a) Any sheriff, undersheriff, or deputy sheriff, employed
in that capacity, of a county, any chief of police of a city or
chief, director, or chief executive officer of a consolidated
municipal public safety agency that performs police functions, any
police officer, employed in that capacity and appointed by the chief
of police or chief, director, or chief executive of a public safety
agency, of a city, any chief of police, or police officer of a
district, including police officers of the San Diego Unified Port
District Harbor Police, authorized by statute to maintain a police
department, any marshal or deputy marshal of a superior court or
county, any port warden or port police officer of the Harbor
Department of the City of Los Angeles, or any inspector or
investigator employed in that capacity in the office of a district
attorney, is a peace officer. The authority of these peace officers
extends to any place in the state, as follows:
(1) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed within the political subdivision
that employs the peace officer or in which the peace officer serves.

(2) Where the peace officer has the prior consent of the chief of
police or chief, director, or chief executive officer of a
consolidated municipal public safety agency, or person authorized by
him or her to give consent, if the place is within a city or of the
sheriff, or person authorized by him or her to give consent, if the
place is within a county.
(3) As to any public offense committed or which there is probable
cause to believe has been committed in the peace officer's presence,
and with respect to which there is immediate danger to person or
property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of the offense.
(b) The Attorney General and special agents and investigators of
the Department of Justice are peace officers, and those assistant
chiefs, deputy chiefs, chiefs, deputy directors, and division
directors designated as peace officers by the Attorney General are
peace officers. The authority of these peace officers extends to any
place in the state where a public offense has been committed or where
there is probable cause to believe one has been committed.
(c) Any deputy sheriff of the County of Los Angeles, and any
deputy sheriff of the Counties of Butte, Kern, Humboldt, Imperial,
Inyo, Kings, Mendocino, Plumas, Riverside, San Diego, Santa Barbara,
Shasta, Siskiyou, Solano, Sonoma, Sutter, Tehama, Tulare, and
Tuolumne who is employed to perform duties exclusively or initially
relating to custodial assignments with responsibilities for
maintaining the operations of county custodial facilities, including
the custody, care, supervision, security, movement, and
transportation of inmates, is a peace officer whose authority extends
to any place in the state only while engaged in the performance of
the duties of his or her respective employment and for the purpose of
carrying out the primary function of employment relating to his or
her custodial assignments, or when performing other law enforcement
duties directed by his or her employing agency during a local state
of emergency.



830.2. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state:
(a) Any member of the Department of the California Highway Patrol
including those members designated under subdivision (a) of Section
2250.1 of the Vehicle Code, provided that the primary duty of the
peace officer is the enforcement of any law relating to the use or
operation of vehicles upon the highways, or laws pertaining to the
provision of police services for the protection of state officers,
state properties, and the occupants of state properties, or both, as
set forth in the Vehicle Code and Government Code.
(b) A member of the University of California Police Department
appointed pursuant to Section 92600 of the Education Code, provided
that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement
of the law within the area specified in Section 92600 of the
Education Code.
(c) A member of the California State University Police Departments
appointed pursuant to Section 89560 of the Education Code, provided
that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be the enforcement
of the law within the area specified in Section 89560 of the
Education Code.
(d) (1) Any member of the Law Enforcement and Investigations Unit
of the Department of Corrections, provided that the primary duties of
the peace officer shall be the investigation or apprehension of
parolees, parole violators, or escapees from state institutions, the
transportation of those persons, and the coordination of those
activities with other criminal justice agencies.
(2) Any member of the Office of Internal Affairs of the Department
of Corrections, provided that the primary duties shall be criminal
investigations of Department of Corrections personnel and the
coordination of those activities with other criminal justice
agencies. For purposes of this subdivision the member of the Office
of Internal Affairs shall possess certification from the Commission
on Peace Officer Standards and Training for investigators, or have
completed training pursuant to Section 6126.1 of the Penal Code.
(e) Employees of the Department of Fish and Game designated by the
director, provided that the primary duty of those peace officers
shall be the enforcement of the law as set forth in Section 856 of
the Fish and Game Code.
(f) Employees of the Department of Parks and Recreation designated
by the director pursuant to Section 5008 of the Public Resources
Code, provided that the primary duty of the peace officer shall be
the enforcement of the law as set forth in Section 5008 of the Public
Resources Code.
(g) The Director of Forestry and Fire Protection and employees or
classes of employees of the Department of Forestry and Fire
Protection designated by the director pursuant to Section 4156 of the
Public Resources Code, provided that the primary duty of the peace
officer shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth
in Section 4156 of the Public Resources Code.
(h) Persons employed by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage
Control for the enforcement of Division 9 (commencing with Section
23000) of the Business and Professions Code and designated by the
Director of Alcoholic Beverage Control, provided that the primary
duty of any of these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the
laws relating to alcoholic beverages, as that duty is set forth in
Section 25755 of the Business and Professions Code.
(i) Marshals and police appointed by the Board of Directors of the
California Exposition and State Fair pursuant to Section 3332 of the
Food and Agricultural Code, provided that the primary duty of the
peace officers shall be the enforcement of the law as prescribed in
that section.
(j) The Inspector General, pursuant to Section 6125, and the Chief
Deputy Inspector General In Charge, the Senior Deputy Inspector
General, the Deputy Inspector General, and those employees of the
Inspector General as designated by the Inspector General, are peace
officers, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers
shall be conducting audits of investigatory practices and other
audits, as well as conducting investigations, of the Department of
Corrections, the Department of the Youth Authority, the Board of
Prison Terms, the Youthful Offender Parole Board, or the Board of
Corrections.



830.3. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state for the purpose of performing their
primary duty or when making an arrest pursuant to Section 836 of the
Penal Code as to any public offense with respect to which there is
immediate danger to person or property, or of the escape of the
perpetrator of that offense, or pursuant to Section 8597 or 8598 of
the Government Code. These peace officers may carry firearms only if
authorized and under those terms and conditions as specified by their
employing agencies:
(a) Persons employed by the Division of Investigation of the
Department of Consumer Affairs and investigators of the Medical Board
of California and the Board of Dental Examiners, who are designated
by the Director of Consumer Affairs, provided that the primary duty
of these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the law as that
duty is set forth in Section 160 of the Business and Professions
Code.
(b) Voluntary fire wardens designated by the Director of Forestry
and Fire Protection pursuant to Section 4156 of the Public Resources
Code, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall be
the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in Section 4156
of that code.
(c) Employees of the Department of Motor Vehicles designated in
Section 1655 of the Vehicle Code, provided that the primary duty of
these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty
is set forth in Section 1655 of that code.
(d) Investigators of the California Horse Racing Board designated
by the board, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers
shall be the enforcement of Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 19400)
of Division 8 of the Business and Professions Code and Chapter 10
(commencing with Section 330) of Title 9 of Part 1 of this code.
(e) The State Fire Marshal and assistant or deputy state fire
marshals appointed pursuant to Section 13103 of the Health and Safety
Code, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall
be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in Section
13104 of that code.
(f) Inspectors of the food and drug section designated by the
chief pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 106500 of the Health and
Safety Code, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers
shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in
Section 106500 of that code.
(g) All investigators of the Division of Labor Standards
Enforcement designated by the Labor Commissioner, provided that the
primary duty of these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the
law as prescribed in Section 95 of the Labor Code.
(h) All investigators of the State Departments of Health Services,
Social Services, Mental Health, and Alcohol and Drug Programs, the
Department of Toxic Substances Control, the Office of Statewide
Health Planning and Development, and the Public Employees' Retirement
System, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall
be the enforcement of the law relating to the duties of his or her
department or office. Notwithstanding any other provision of law,
investigators of the Public Employees' Retirement System shall not
carry firearms.
(i) The Chief of the Bureau of Fraudulent Claims of the Department
of Insurance and those investigators designated by the chief,
provided that the primary duty of those investigators shall be the
enforcement of Section 550.
(j) Employees of the Department of Housing and Community
Development designated under Section 18023 of the Health and Safety
Code, provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall be
the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in Section
18023 of that code.
(k) Investigators of the office of the Controller, provided that
the primary duty of these investigators shall be the enforcement of
the law relating to the duties of that office. Notwithstanding any
other law, except as authorized by the Controller, the peace officers
designated pursuant to this subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(l) Investigators of the Department of Corporations designated by
the Commissioner of Corporations, provided that the primary duty of
these investigators shall be the enforcement of the provisions of law
administered by the Department of Corporations. Notwithstanding any
other provision of law, the peace officers designated pursuant to
this subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(m) Persons employed by the Contractors' State License Board
designated by the Director of Consumer Affairs pursuant to Section
7011.5 of the Business and Professions Code, provided that the
primary duty of these persons shall be the enforcement of the law as
that duty is set forth in Section 7011.5, and in Chapter 9
(commencing with Section 7000) of Division 3, of that code. The
Director of Consumer Affairs may designate as peace officers not more
than three persons who shall at the time of their designation be
assigned to the special investigations unit of the board.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the persons designated
pursuant to this subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(n) The Chief and coordinators of the Law Enforcement Division of
the Office of Emergency Services.
(o) Investigators of the office of the Secretary of State
designated by the Secretary of State, provided that the primary duty
of these peace officers shall be the enforcement of the law as
prescribed in Chapter 3 (commencing with Section 8200) of Division 1
of Title 2 of, and Section 12172.5 of, the Government Code.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the peace officers
designated pursuant to this subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(p) The Deputy Director for Security designated by Section 8880.38
of the Government Code, and all lottery security personnel assigned
to the California State Lottery and designated by the director,
provided that the primary duty of any of those peace officers shall
be the enforcement of the laws related to assuring the integrity,
honesty, and fairness of the operation and administration of the
California State Lottery.
(q) Investigators employed by the Investigation Division of the
Employment Development Department designated by the director of the
department, provided that the primary duty of those peace officers
shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in
Section 317 of the Unemployment Insurance Code.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the peace officers
designated pursuant to this subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(r) The chief and assistant chief of museum security and safety of
the California Science Center, as designated by the executive
director pursuant to Section 4108 of the Food and Agricultural Code,
provided that the primary duty of those peace officers shall be the
enforcement of the law as that duty is set forth in Section 4108 of
the Food and Agricultural Code.
(s) Employees of the Franchise Tax Board designated by the board,
provided that the primary duty of these peace officers shall be the
enforcement of the law as set forth in Chapter 9 (commencing with
Section 19701) of Part 10.2 of Division 2 of the Revenue and Taxation
Code.
(t) Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, a peace
officer authorized by this section shall not be authorized to carry
firearms by his or her employing agency until that agency has adopted
a policy on the use of deadly force by those peace officers, and
until those peace officers have been instructed in the employing
agency's policy on the use of deadly force.
Every peace officer authorized pursuant to this section to carry
firearms by his or her employing agency shall qualify in the use of
the firearms at least every six months.
(u) Investigators of the Department of Managed Health Care
designated by the Director of the Department of Managed Health Care,
provided that the primary duty of these investigators shall be the
enforcement of the provisions of laws administered by the Director of
the Department of Managed Health Care. Notwithstanding any other
provision of law, the peace officers designated pursuant to this
subdivision shall not carry firearms.
(v) The Chief, Deputy Chief, supervising investigators, and
investigators of the Office of Protective Services of the State
Department of Developmental Services, provided that the primary duty
of each of those persons shall be the enforcement of the law relating
to the duties of his or her department or office.



830.31. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state for the purpose of performing their
primary duty or when making an arrest pursuant to Section 836 as to
any public offense with respect to which there is immediate danger to
person or property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of that
offense, or pursuant to Section 8597 or 8598 of the Government Code.
These peace officers may carry firearms only if authorized, and
under the terms and conditions specified, by their employing agency.

(a) A police officer of the County of Los Angeles, if the primary
duty of the officer is the enforcement of the law in or about
properties owned, operated, or administered by his or her employing
agency or when performing necessary duties with respect to patrons,
employees, and properties of his or her employing agency.
(b) A person designated by a local agency as a park ranger and
regularly employed and paid in that capacity, if the primary duty of
the officer is the protection of park and other property of the
agency and the preservation of the peace therein.
(c) (1) A peace officer of the Department of General Services of
the City of Los Angeles designated by the general manager of the
department, if the primary duty of the officer is the enforcement of
the law in or about properties owned, operated, or administered by
his or her employing agency or when performing necessary duties with
respect to patrons, employees, and properties of his or her employing
agency.
(2) A peace officer designated pursuant to this subdivision, and
authorized to carry firearms by his or her employing agency, shall
satisfactorily complete the introductory course of firearm training
required by Section 832 and shall requalify in the use of firearms
every six months.
(3) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a peace officer
designated pursuant to this subdivision who is authorized to carry a
firearm by his or her employing agency while on duty shall not be
authorized to carry a firearm when he or she is not on duty.
(d) A housing authority patrol officer employed by the housing
authority of a city, district, county, or city and county or employed
by the police department of a city and county, if the primary duty
of the officer is the enforcement of the law in or about properties
owned, operated, or administered by his or her employing agency or
when performing necessary duties with respect to patrons, employees,
and properties of his or her employing agency.



830.32. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state for the purpose of performing their
primary duty or when making an arrest pursuant to Section 836 as to
any public offense with respect to which there is immediate danger to
person or property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of that
offense, or pursuant to Section 8597 or 8598 of the Government Code.
Those peace officers may carry firearms only if authorized and under
terms and conditions specified by their employing agency.
(a) Members of a California Community College police department
appointed pursuant to Section 72330 of the Education Code, if the
primary duty of the police officer is the enforcement of the law as
prescribed in Section 72330 of the Education Code.
(b) Persons employed as members of a police department of a school
district pursuant to Section 38000 of the Education Code, if the
primary duty of the police officer is the enforcement of the law as
prescribed in Section 38000 of the Education Code.
(c) Any peace officer employed by a K-12 public school district or
California Community College district who has completed training as
prescribed by subdivision (f) of Section 832.3 shall be designated a
school police officer.
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This is one instance where I do appreciate the concept of "professional courtesy". Why has this situation not been addressed properly through legislative changes?
I don't. You have no idea who carries Federally. Department of Education, Department of Agriculture etc. They are scary.
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You read it correctly. As a professional courtesy They are not popped. The one that was, it was transfered to federal court and the charges were dropped.

It is a well know fact, they do not have the authority to carry off duty. Find in the penal code where is says they can off duty. Some Federal agents take my ccw class so they can carry off duty.

Why does HR218 not apply when they are active?
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So according to the laws of the great state of California, members of a federal agency such as the FBI are not "peace officers". In a way, this makes sense in that agents of the FBI are not supposed to be dealing with California state laws. They are concern with violations of federal laws. But since they are not "peace officers" and since, as I understand it, only "peace officers" are allow to carry a weapon on duty if that agency complies with the requirements of the PC, does this imply that technically, that the FBI cannot carry while on duty? That can't be right so there must be another means by which a fed gains their authority to operate in this state. Please tell me that is the case.
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I don't. You have no idea who carries Federally. Department of Education, Department of Agriculture etc. They are scary.
OK. I was only thinking agencies like FBI, SS, US Marshals but you are correct about the other agencies.
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