Guns in the hands of good people

[ITGeekRD]

I felt this was a good article and wanted to share it with the rest of you.

'Guns in the hands of good people' - The York Daily Record

[maldos]

Good for him, he's a better man than I.

I would never have placed my wife (fiancee) in harms way in order to protect someone I didn't know. Since he was not involved in the traffic altercation, he should have just kept going, my opinion only and something I could live with. I have not been sworn to protect the public, my permit is to protect me and mine.

Thanks for posting

BTW, these are just the situations those of us who have been fortunate, to have taken the Prism Training have encountered. Where we learn to make the hard decisions in training.

PRISim: Trailer Simulator Training - CalCCW

[38special]

I can not help but think what would have happened to these woman if someone didn't have the ba!!s to stop to help them.
Anyone recall who Kitty Genovese was? She was stabbed to death in 1964 while neighbors ignored her cries of "Oh my God, he stabbed me! Help me!"

[Agent of Change]

.38 Special:

I could not agree more. I find it hard that to believe that anyone with the means to protect innocent women and children from harm would drive blithely by, smug in the knowledge that if it were their loved ones at risk they could protect them. Just not the way I was raised.

[maldos]

Originally Posted by Agent of Change

.38 Special:

I could not agree more. I find it hard that to believe that anyone with the means to protect innocent women and children from harm would drive blithely by, smug in the knowledge that if it were their loved ones at risk they could protect them. Just not the way I was raised.

If you are asking if I would put my family in harms way (remember his fiancee was with him) and put my assets on the line for a complete stranger, then you are correct, the answer is NO.

One may be acquitted of any legal action but the civil trial would wipe out most folks. Are you ready to go BK defending a complete stranger? The best you can hope for is several thousands of $ just to hire the best lawyer you can afford because if you say nothing to the police, other than "I did nothing wrong", you will be arrested. Just my 0.02

[NSP]

The only thing that really jumps out at me is that he shot the guy in the thigh, twice. Pretty hard to proove that you really felt like your life was in danger if you repetedly shoot non vital areas.

[38special]

Originally Posted by maldos

If you are asking if I would put my family in harms way (remember his fiancee was with him) and put my assets on the line for a complete stranger, then you are correct, the answer is NO.

One may be acquitted of any legal action but the civil trial would wipe out most folks. Are you ready to go BK defending a complete stranger? The best you can hope for is several thousands of $ just to hire the best lawyer you can afford because if you say nothing to the police, other than "I did nothing wrong", you will be arrested. Just my 0.02

As long as that works for you so be it. I just hope I never have to count on you for assistance.

[38special]

Originally Posted by NSP

The only thing that really jumps out at me is that he shot the guy in the thigh, twice. Pretty hard to proove that you really felt like your life was in danger if you repetedly shoot non vital areas.

Possibly he was hoping if the guy were wounded then the guy would stop and he would not have to resort to killing him .

[huna koa]

were there; so I leave it where it is -- with him; I respect him for what he did and his reasoning. I know what it's like to be violated[robbed at gunpoint & twice burglarized when I wasn't home]; I did wish/want for help; but no one came; the police came --- to make their reports. I've been in fistfights on other occassions; fortunately no weapons, and I was outnumbered; and the police came, to make their reports. [I'm was able to defend myself; they all went down --- hard]. Again I wanted/wished for help; but no one came, those who were there only watched. I will do what most won't; we're all made of different 'stuff'; because we're all human, and come from different places[I'm not talking about geography] ... each will react diffrently.

[maldos]

Originally Posted by 38special

As long as that works for you so be it. I just hope I never have to count on you for assistance.

Well I see you have a Cal CCW permit. I'll bet your good cause statement stated you needed the permit to protect yourself and never mentioned you needed the permit to protect unknown strangers on the street. If you had, I doubt it would have been issued.

[TaxMan]

Originally Posted by maldos

Well I see you have a Cal CCW permit. I'll bet your good cause statement stated you needed the permit to protect yourself and never mentioned you needed the permit to protect unknown strangers on the street. If you had, I doubt it would have been issued.

+1

[The Black Knight]

Just a reminder to all, please keep the discussions civil. Thank you.

[gravedigger]

The only tragedy in the whole story is the fact that the gun owner was handcuffed and jailed, and forced to endure three weeks of uncertainty, when the cops SHOULD HAVE said two words; "Nice Shot!" and sent him on his way.

[gr8fatman]

Originally Posted by maldos

If you are asking if I would put my family in harms way (remember his fiancee was with him) and put my assets on the line for a complete stranger, then you are correct, the answer is NO.

One may be acquitted of any legal action but the civil trial would wipe out most folks. Are you ready to go BK defending a complete stranger? The best you can hope for is several thousands of $ just to hire the best lawyer you can afford because if you say nothing to the police, other than "I did nothing wrong", you will be arrested. Just my 0.02

While I respect your decision to do nothing, aren't we all our brothers keeper? Not to say that I would have done as he did. Shouldn't we do something, even if it's just calling 911 and being a good witness. As for your statement about civil suits. I'm not a lawyer, but civil litigation, a legitimate concern, would be less of a concern in CA as I understand it. John Machtinger wrote in (HOW TO OWN A GUN...) page 111, "A justifiable homicide is a "priviliged act." This means that a dead criminal's family can't sue in civil court and win money if you kill the criminal in a lawful self-defence". $$ come to mind when talking about post incident with Leo and the need for legal representation. I just felt like the majority of your decision was based on civil suit possibilities. Please correct me if I mistook your meaning, or if I don't clearly understand the ramifications involved.

Respectfuly,
gr8fatman

[gr8fatman]

By the way Maldos, I forgot to thank you for your 2 cents, and everybody else too. Everybody's opinion is a valued addition.

gr8fatman