Appalled at CoCo County Sheriff's Dept.

[bernardrizzo]

Some of you may know that I recently applied and was turned down for my CCW in CoCo county.

I took this very well. I understood, going in, that I had a slim chance. However I went in well prepared and had my G/C statement vetted by some very helpful and knowledgeable people on this board. I know well enough not to state it but it was good and relevant.

Imagine my surprise when I was cruising the web and came across some information from Jim March concerning CoCo county, it's CCW policy and those who have their CCW's. There were so many discrepancies and so many "thin" G/C statements that it made me pause and get good and angry. Some of what I read was unbelievable.

I was refused because I "failed to show a sufficient nexus between crime and my need for a CCW". Yet there were people on that list who failed to have any G/C at all!!! Some G/C's were fine and some were so thin as to be transparent.

The funny thing is that many of the current CCW holders belong to the Sheriff's "Posse". A group who's purpose is to raise charity money but is a well that the Sheriff can dip into when he needs re-election monies. The percentage of permits that are in the hands of financial supporters is just a bit out of whack.

There was one individual who had the same geographical concern as I yet did NOT have the additional component in his G/C like I did. Mine was more relevant, had more body and showed a real potential for threat. His started and stopped at the geographical concern. Why did he get his and get to renew it year after year when I was refused? Answer is simple, he is a member of the Posse.

I will happily put all my effort and money behind the new candidate in 2010. However, considering you have to be in law enforcement to run, I am sure that whom ever the candidate is, they will be vetted by the current Sheriff.

I do not mind being turned down for righteous reasons. I DO mind that there is a double standard here in CoCo county. I am appalled that this is going on. Call me naive but I beleive that this kind of cronyism should have gone out in the 50's.

Shame on the CoCo county SD. Shame.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[sholling]

Welcome to the wonderful world of California's Boss Hogg and Rosco P. Coltrane permit process.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by sholling

Welcome to the wonderful world of California's Boss Hogg and Rosco P. Coltrane permit process.

I've noticed all your post have been very negative lately. Are you in a bad mood?

[sholling]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I've noticed all your post have been very negative lately. Are you in a bad mood?

No, and sorry if I'm coming off that way. It's just that I'm a bit frustrated with the corruption in the system. I positively despised Brad Gates and hated to see Corona turn out so bad. I was really liking the guy before all this came out. I'm also frustrated that we can't run mere citizens for these offices because it would be the fastest way to fix the process and I guess I've been venting. I'll try to lighten up a bit.

[bernardrizzo]

Originally Posted by sholling

No, and sorry if I'm coming off that way. It's just that I'm a bit frustrated with the corruption in the system. I positively despised Brad Gates and hated to see Corona turn out so bad. I was really liking the guy before all this came out. I'm also frustrated that we can't run mere citizens for these offices because it would be the fastest way to fix the process and I guess I've been venting. I'll try to lighten up a bit.

I apologize for injecting my comments here but you have every right to be bitter and upset. I had always thought that it was the will of the majority and the political climate here in California that kept me/all of us from freely obtaining CCW's. The reality that it is a corrupt process in many counties enrages me beyond belief.

And there isn't a thing we can do about it. I hate feeling helpless.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by bernardrizzo

I apologize for injecting my comments here but you have every right to be bitter and upset. I had always thought that it was the will of the majority and the political climate here in California that kept me/all of us from freely obtaining CCW's. The reality that it is a corrupt process in many counties enrages me beyond belief.

And there isn't a thing we can do about it. I hate feeling helpless.

You aren't helpless. You just need to get involved in your area. If nothing is going on, set it up.

If he doesn't live here, and isn't doing anything about fixing it. He has no right to complain. Just like anybody else who complains and takes no action

Some people in OC feel they have a problem, they are doing something about it.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...e-colodny.html

[bernardrizzo]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

You aren't helpless. You just need to get involved in your area. If nothing is going on, set it up.

If he doesn't live here, and isn't doing anything about fixing it. He has no right to complain. Just like anybody else who complains and takes no action

Some people in OC feel they have a problem, they are doing something about it.

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...e-colodny.html

I am not quite sure how to go about "doing something". I had thought that working on his future opponent's campaign might help that that is two years away and there is no guarantee that the opponent would be CCW friendly. I give as much money as possible to the NRA. The question is, what can I do about this as an individual. Also, what is being done in OC? Perhaps I can replicate that here. Can you give me some suggestions?

[Sigman]

I worked and shot with many Coco deputies. They were all for CCW's but the powers to be think differently. Too many tree hugger in Coco county I guess

[Poogsdad]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

You aren't helpless. You just need to get involved in your area. If nothing is going on, set it up.

I agree with CCWI.

Though I am not a resident of Orange County, I have a strong desire to contribute to the fight being waged by OC CCW holders and advocates.

There are many members here who are far more qualified and capable of taking the fight directly to Sandra Hutchens or individual members of the Board of Supervisors.

I have chosen to provide financial and moral support wherever I can and write letters to the Board of Supervisors highlighting the impact of their decisions on other areas of the state.

I do not yet know how effective I have been, or will be, but I do feel good about the effort, small though it may be.

Thanks,

[maldos]

This is what happens when you have a system which allows one person to make the decision to issue or not. There is no fairness just special treatment for some and "sorry pal" for others.

[Rodentkiller]

You just learned lesson No1 the system is very corrupt and you need politacal conections. Lesson 2 you are never gonna get a CCW in a Liberal area. You might start a movement to revive a reform of the system to "Shall Issue and get it on the ballot to put it to the peopls vote State wide. Good luck to ya.