Not a good thing

[X-ffdo]

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[Ken_In_Colo]

Not a good thing for sure...

• Leaving your carry in the lavatory of a plane
• DUIs
• Unintentional Discharges

...and nobody gets fired?

These things point to a severe lack of training and a lack of anyone taking this job very seriously. There are people at a higher level here who bare a lot of the responsibility in addition to the marshals. By not firing someone for these offenses, management is telling the marshals that it is OK to screw up. Sure, everyone makes mistakes but his is one job where you can't make these types of mistakes.

How do you excuse leaving your gun in an airplane restroom?

Unbelievable.

[newshooterinca]

Originally Posted by Ken_In_Colo

Not a good thing for sure...

• Leaving your carry in the lavatory of a plane
• DUIs
• Unintentional Discharges

...and nobody gets fired?

Any of us would have our permits pulled in a SECOND if we did any of that. And marshalls should be held to a higher standard given their education and training....

[RomanDad]

Any word on the air marshals having their badges revoked?

[WKC]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Any word on the air marshals having their badges revoked?

She will not do that. They are not volunteers.

[NSP]

1. It's a negligent discharge, not an "accidental" one.
2. If I leave my weapon in a bathroom can I get just a pat on the head and be on my way? Okay seriously how do you not realize you are no longer carrying a .357 magnum

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by NSP

1. It's a negligent discharge, not an "accidental" one.
2. If I leave my weapon in a bathroom can I get just a pat on the head and be on my way? Okay seriously how do you not realize you are no longer carrying a .357 magnum

Actually the Air Marshal's carry the .357Sig, not the Magnum.

In one of the posts someone made in that article, they mention that how can a Las Vegas based AM shoot up his hotel room. Why would he be staying at a hotel when he lived in LV. I wonder why the person that wrote this decided to pick on a few people from that particular office. Especially since there are/were over 5,000 AMs out there.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

In one of the posts someone made in that article, they mention that how can a Las Vegas based AM shoot up his hotel room. Why would he be staying at a hotel when he lived in LV.

He was LV based, but he was in a hotel in Arlington, WV when it happened.

[Eirerogue]

6 guys in 7-8 years is not a bad percentage. Check with any law enforcement organization and see what their internal affairs rates are.

We called it the 2% rule. 2% of your work force screws up and will get investigated and penalized. And I don't believe they didn't get some form of disciplinary action. Thrust of the article seemed like "sour grapes" to me.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

Actually the Air Marshal's carry the .357Sig, not the Magnum.

Ah yes, indeed I misread that one.

[X-ffdo]

Well, you remember the guy who had the AD/ND...(Pick whichever one you like) on board a USAir bus. The Capt. on the flight. Well, obviously he was not a FAM. He got fired!!
TSA wants the FAMs program. They opposed the "other" program, all the way from the White House. The airline CEOs did not want the program.
Anyway, goes to show you.
If you are not accepted as part of the 'hood, meaning, the brotherhood. You won't be protected.
PAY ATTENTION, Same thing goes for CCW holders. They do not want you, so if you have the so much feared ND/AD experience, God forbid. You are
S C R E W E D !!!!
Speaking about GOD, Thank God that admittedly, even from RSOs, and Weapons instructors, LEOs do not like going to the range except when they are forced to qualify. You guys, on the other hand can't wait! It makes you a lot better at it, so the chances of getting a screw up from guys like you seems minimal, from what I have seen!! Knock on wood!!
Ya'll be careful out theah!!!

[X-ffdo]

I heard through the grapevine, now that you guys talk about it. Is that the guy from the same outfit in question, who shot the TV set in his
hotel room while practicing his weapon draw?
Or is this another one, if this is not another one, you did not hear it here!

[NSP]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

I heard through the grapevine, now that you guys talk about it. Is that the guy from that outfit, who shot the TV set in his
hotel room while practicing his weapon draw?
Or is this another one, if this is not another one, you did not hear it here!

My un-named firearms instructor had a student do that.

[X-ffdo]

There are those who have, and those who will!!

[Ken_In_Colo]

Originally Posted by newshooterinca

Any of us would have our permits pulled in a SECOND if we did any of that. And marshalls should be held to a higher standard given their education and training....

That's one of my points; they don't seem to get enough training and that is management's fault.

I still can't believe that the AM who left his carry in the plane restroom didn't get fired. That's (IMO) much worse than the BATFE agent who left her carry in the restroom of Milwaukee's Mitchell Field Airport (she wasn't fired either).

If it had been me who found the piece I would have made a big scene about it; not while still in flight but as soon as we landed.

A few months ago, a Sgt. LEO friend told me what would happen if one of his patrolmen left their piece in a public bathroom. He said they probably wouldn't be fired on the first incidence but they probably get RIPped, lose some seniority and vacation time and get some real bad duty for the next 6 months as long as the gun was found, returned and no one was injured w/it.

He also told me that (in Colo) there were no criminal statutes that could be applied to a civilian or LEO forgetfully leaving their gun in a public place. I would have thought maybe reckless endangerment but he said RE had to be willful. Does Calif have something in their PC about it?

These kinds of incidents sets CCW back for the rest of us. The average 'anti' doesn't know that we train and practice a lot more than the average LEO. I can just hear Chuckie Schumer or Carolyn McCarthy now: "See there! Guns aren't even safe in the hands of trained Federal Agents. And you think the average citizen can be trusted to carry one safely?"

End of rant, for now.