OC CCW Incidents?

[CCWInstructor]

Okay here's is what really happen with CA-POST and the 86. 12/31/99 was the last date you could have for the shorter level III academy. 1/1/00 the required hours increased for level III.

The Sheriff got some bad advice from a captain, (since retired) what they did was put them through the academy and hire them prior to doing the full background and psych test. This was all done before they graduated. It was done this way to beat the deadline of 12/31/99. The problem from CA-POST perspective was there hire date was before the background, medical and psych was done. They did things in the wrong order.

The Sheriff did nothing wrong except listen to the wrong person.
On July 18, 2005, OCSD agreed to remove the files from Peace Officer status. Problem resolved. I was at the POST commission meeting at the Bahia Hotel in San Diego July 19, 2005 when it was announced.


Anybody that has been a reserve know what pre and post 1999 means. IF you were reserve prior to 1999 and let your POST Cert.
lapse, you need to take post 2000 academy all over which requires more hours.

There, now you have it. It was really no big deal.....except to the papers.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

There, now you have it. It was really no big deal.....except to the papers.

Wow. From the papers, I thought the 86 were a Mongol hoard pillaging across the southwest.

[Ciderbite]

oh my............havent checked the thread all day and noticed things got a little heated. Didnt mean to cause a ruckus amoung members. Mabye I should narrow my question down a bit. How many times has a permitee been involved in brandishing a gun in self-defense or used it (discharging it) against a bad guy?

Please no more of this or or this

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Ciderbite

oh my............havent checked the thread all day and noticed things got a little heated. Didnt mean to cause a ruckus amoung members. Mabye I should narrow my question down a bit. How many times has a permitee been involved in brandishing a gun in self-defense or used it (discharging it) against a bad guy?

Please no more of this or or this

I think everyone understands your question and this isn't meant as any form of a but - for everyone

If you draw your weapon in a situation where you are in reasonable fear of your life - are you "brandishing?" Or does that word only apply when you are displaying your weapon in an inappropriate and threatening manner, when you yourself are not n reasonable fear?

To answer your question - I know of no incidents among CCW permit holders. I think it's kind of like buying insurance - if you do, you won't need it. The universe is ironic that way.

CCW holders tend to be more responsible and stable than the average citizen, more aware of potential trouble and more likely to avoid it.

[libertarian]

Originally Posted by Ciderbite

oh my............havent checked the thread all day and noticed things got a little heated. Didnt mean to cause a ruckus amoung members. Mabye I should narrow my question down a bit. How many times has a permitee been involved in brandishing a gun in self-defense or used it (discharging it) against a bad guy?

Please no more of this or or this

For legal reasons, anyone who was involved in such an incident should NOT post any information about it. Even if they were completely justified and no criminal charges were filed, the exposure to civil lawsuits is enormous.

[YankeeDog]

For legal reasons, anyone who was involved in such an incident should NOT post any information about it. Even if they were completely justified and no criminal charges were filed, the exposure to civil lawsuits is enormous.

+1
YD

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by libertarian

For legal reasons, anyone who was involved in such an incident should NOT post any information about it. Even if they were completely justified and no criminal charges were filed, the exposure to civil lawsuits is enormous.

CCWI can correct me if Im wrong, but I dont think that we've had an OC CCW holder ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN.... It would be fairly common knowledge if it had happened.

And there isn't much CIVIL liability for merely threatening to use it (which would likely fly under the radar, especially if criminal charges were not also filed). Civil liability requires ACTUAL DAMAGES, i.e. MEDICAL BILLS.... Which you wouldn't expect from a mere threat of use.

[Ciderbite]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

CCWI can correct me if Im wrong, but I dont think that we've had an OC CCW holder ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN.... It would be fairly common knowledge if it had happened.

And there isn't much CIVIL liability for merely threatening to use it (which would likely fly under the radar, especially if criminal charges were not also filed). Civil liability requires ACTUAL DAMAGES, i.e. MEDICAL BILLS.... Which you wouldn't expect from a mere threat of use.

Thank you Roman for giving SOUND legal advice. So, ill post the question again .................

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

There, now you have it. It was really no big deal.....except to the papers.

And to all the other Reserve programs in the State that got audited as a result. We lost some good reserves because after 25 (!) years of service their background paperwork had been misplaced. To stay on they would have to re-do the whole process.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

CCWI can correct me if Im wrong, but I dont think that we've had an OC CCW holder ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN.... It would be fairly common knowledge if it had happened.

A CCW holder did. However, it was at home and the CCW did not come into play.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by Ciderbite

So, ill post the question again .................

And your question won't be answer here. It was on another forum. He lost his CCW. PC417. The suspect of the 417 post the whole story on another forum (highroad) looking for help. Nobody replied.

[CCWInstructor]

Originally Posted by hbliam

And to all the other Reserve programs in the State that got audited as a result. We lost some good reserves because after 25 (!) years of service their background paperwork had been misplaced. To stay on they would have to re-do the whole process.

I find your conclusion very interesting considering a POST Senior Consultant does a compliance check once every 24 months for every department in their area.

Ed Pecinovsky, Area 10 Consultant, did OCSD. Ed is now the Bureau Chief.
Greg Murphy, Area 9 Consultant, did your former agency and your current one. Greg is now area 5.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Ciderbite

Thank you Roman for giving SOUND legal advice. So, ill post the question again .................

Thats not legal advice... Thats a rational conclusion based on the facts presented.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I find your conclusion very interesting considering a POST Senior Consultant does a compliance check once every 24 months for every department in their area.

This is what I was told while I was there. We lost 2 or 3 guys (only one was a "loss").

[Ciderbite]

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

And your question won't be answer here. It was on another forum. He lost his CCW. PC417. The suspect of the 417 post the whole story on another forum (highroad) looking for help. Nobody replied.

interesting ...............