OC CCW Incidents?

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Bombard

My father's CCW was "revoked" in 2004, after I notified the OCSD that he'd died. I'd guess there are as many deaths as "movers" - and that would account for virtually all the permits in question.

[histfan71]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Especially when you consider you have 25 Judges running around the county on THREE YEAR permits with NO POST TRAINING OF ANY SORT... POST training seems pretty irrelevant to the issue....

My comment about POST training was in relation to reserve peace officer appointments. If a person is appointed as a peace officer they have a certain amount of time to complete POST-certified training, I cannot remember now what the time frame is. If the appointed person does not complete the training in the required amount of time, that person cannot exersise the power of a peace officer.

I read somewhere, maybe the OC Register, that some of the pals Carona appointed as reserves did not complete the required POST training, but were still carrying their badge/ID card and claiming to be OCSD reserves.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by histfan71

I read somewhere, maybe the OC Register, that some of the pals Carona appointed as reserves did not complete the required POST training, but were still carrying their badge/ID card and claiming to be OCSD reserves.

Like I said. You really need to get some updated information. I am really tired of having to go over this over and over again.

One more time. Those who were issued reserve status without the required training have been taken care of. That is old news. All reserves currently serving with the OCSD have the proper training as required by POST. End of story. Don't want to hear any more about them.

[CalCCW03]

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[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by WKC

Like I said. You really need to get some updated information. I am really tired of having to go over this over and over again.

One more time. Those who were issued reserve status without the required training have been taken care of. That is old news. All reserves currently serving with the OCSD have the proper training as required by POST. End of story. Don't want to hear any more about them.

They wnet at the time of the name change of the program. That was a number of years ago. Why bring it up now? Any particular agenda?

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by WKC

Like I said. You really need to get some updated information. I am really tired of having to go over this over and over again.

One more time. Those who were issued reserve status without the required training have been taken care of. That is old news. All reserves currently serving with the OCSD have the proper training as required by POST. End of story. Don't want to hear any more about them.

People seem to mix up all of Caronas issues and just lazily lump them into one without much THINKING...

Issue 1: "The 86 reserves"- They were given BADGES and listed by the DOJ as POLICE OFFICERS. I've never seen were these people were also issued CCWs. The issue was resolved in the summer of 2005.

Issue 2: Raymond Yi- Was a RESERVIST- Flashed his badge and his gun in 2005. I have no indication he was a CCW holder.

Issue 3: Stefan Ericksson- (AKA the crashed Ferrari Enzo) was found to be in possession of a handgun belonging to Roger Davis, a RESERVE DEPUTY with the PSD division- Again... No record of him being a CCW holder.

Caronas issues have NOTHING to do with the CCW program....

Anybody who does not possess the intellectual prowess to differentiate between a RESERVE WHO MISUSED HIS BADGE and a CCW holder, I cant help.

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

People seem to mix up all of Caronas issues and just lazily lump them into one without much THINKING...

Issue 1: "The 86 reserves"- They were given BADGES and listed by the DOJ as POLICE OFFICERS. I've never seen were these people were also issued CCWs. The issue was resolved in the summer of 2005.

Issue 2: Raymond Yi- Was a RESERVIST- Flashed his badge and his gun in 2005. I have no indication he was a CCW holder.

Issue 3: Stefan Ericksson- (AKA the crashed Ferrari Enzo) was found to be in possession of a handgun belonging to Roger Davis, a RESERVE DEPUTY with the PSD division- Again... No record of him being a CCW holder.

Caronas issues have NOTHING to do with the CCW program....

Anybody who does not possess the intellectual prowess to differentiate between a RESERVE WHO MISUSED HIS BADGE and a CCW holder, I cant help.

Well, I think THAT clears it up!

[CalCCW03]

Do we have anything else to add?

[histfan71]

Originally Posted by WKC

Like I said. You really need to get some updated information. I am really tired of having to go over this over and over again.

One more time. Those who were issued reserve status without the required training have been taken care of. That is old news. All reserves currently serving with the OCSD have the proper training as required by POST. End of story. Don't want to hear any more about them.

You are missing my point completely. My point is that any reserve who had their peace officer status and CCW revoked because they did not meet the required background standards and/or training requirements had their CCW revoked for cause.

CCWI has said that none of the resereves who had their CCWs pulled fell into any of the above categories. As far as I am concerned, that answered my question.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by CalCCW03

Do we have anything else to add?

Lots more!!!! Its a great thread!!!! Its one of the most important threads we've had re: the OC situation....

[CalCCW03]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Lots more!!!! Its a great thread!!!! Its one of the most important threads we've had re: the OC situation....

OK. To all, lets please try and keep it somewhat civil.

[WKC]

Originally Posted by histfan71

You are missing my point completely. My point is that any reserve who had their peace officer status and CCW revoked because they did not meet the required background standards and/or training requirements had their CCW revoked for cause.

CCWI has said that none of the resereves who had their CCWs pulled fell into any of the above categories. As far as I am concerned, that answered my question.

The fact that the PO status of the 86 were revoked and that those who want to remain as reserves had to complete POST cert was also in the news. It's just that no one bothers to read that part or remember it.

Those of us who are close to the issue can get a little heated when pieces of the story is being throw out for effect. Your comment got me at a bad time. I know what the reserves have to go through because I am starting the process. We get no free rides. The Lt. made that clear. It will not happen on his watch. I have no problem with that. We even have to take the written test even if we have a college degree. The hiring standard are the same as for full time deputy trainees.

[histfan71]

Originally Posted by WKC

The fact that the PO status of the 86 were revoked and that those who want to remain as reserves had to complete POST cert was also in the news. It's just that no one bothers to read that part or remember it.

Those of us who are close to the issue can get a little heated when pieces of the story is being throw out for effect. Your comment got me at a bad time. I know what the reserves have to go through because I am starting the process. We get no free rides. The Lt. made that clear. It will not happen on his watch. I have no problem with that. We even have to take the written test even if we have a college degree. The hiring standard are the same as for full time deputy trainees.

Yes, I did know about the ones who did successfully complete the entire reserve hiring process and the academy.

Good luck with the reserve process. Although I am still leary of putting my personal history out on this board, I will say that I was a Designated Level I Reserve Police Officer with the Los Angeles Police Department. I am not sure if OCSD designates their Level I reserves, but if they do you can CCW on your police ID card alone, you need no "rice paper."

[WKC]

My understanding is that a reserve (any level) with the OCSD is not a LEO when off duty. Therefore, CCW off duty must be done with valid permit. No endorsement on department ID.

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by histfan71

Yes, I did know about the ones who did successfully complete the entire reserve hiring process and the academy.

Good luck with the reserve process. Although I am still leary of putting my personal history out on this board, I will say that I was a Designated Level I Reserve Police Officer with the Los Angeles Police Department. I am not sure if OCSD designates their Level I reserves, but if they do you can CCW on your police ID card alone, you need no "rice paper."

I remember you from another forum. You had a different forum I.D. It's been a while though.