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Old 07-02-2008, 08:04 AM
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Jerusalem 'bulldozer terrorist' was Palestinian father-of-two Hossam Dawiath - Times Online
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But when three people leapt onto the cab of the construction vehicle, the driver hit the accelerator pedal once more. The bulldozer lurched into life again, careering backwards another 50yds before the three - a young civilian man, a police officer, and a security officer - fired close-range shots onto Dawiath, killing him.


Eli Mizrahi, the black-clad assailant who fired the final shots was one of Jerusalem's SWAT officers, who regularly patrol the city on motorcycles. He described to Times Online how he cocked his gun and tried to approach the bulldozer.


"As I made contact, he started moving forward," said Mr Mizrahi.
"He was crazed, he held the steering wheel, held it close and started driving fast toward Jaffa while ramming into a car near civilians standing by.
"A civilian who was there fired the first shot. I ran, and went up to the steps, and while he was crazed I fired two shots and neutralised him. This is what we were taught in the police force - to be professional and do our job in the best possible way," Mr Mizrahi added.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:08 AM
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I don't understand

The anti gun group always says that an armed citizen would only increase the body count. Did they......lie to me?
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Just read about that. Thanks for posting the story I read did not detail if the citizen was armed. Just that he and an officer jumped on truck. Great job for him to take charge and stop the blood bath.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:11 AM
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In this case, the anti-gun guys were right. The bad guy was shot and killed so the body count increased by one due to the use of firearms.

Edit: Just to be clear, there is a significant amount of sarcasm in my statement.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:24 AM
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:25 AM
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Odd, no mention of the young man:

Palestinian 'terrorist' in earth-mover rampage - Israel-Palestinians - MSNBC.com
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When will you guys learn? Logic has no place in this argument! If it did this website and others like it wouldn't be the same. There'd be a lot more about the guns, ammo, training,etc and less about what we need to do to fix this State's laws.
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"They didn't actually have to shoot him. If this had happened in Britain it would not be deemed reasonable force. Was he armed? They could of wrestled him off the controls and overpowered him. In Israel life is cheap."

Really? If someone is actively trying to kill someone with a vehicle in Britan they are not allowed to shoot? Sounds to me like life is cheap in Britan...
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"They didn't actually have to shoot him. If this had happened in Britain it would not be deemed reasonable force. Was he armed? They could of wrestled him off the controls and overpowered him. In Israel life is cheap."

Really? If someone is actively trying to kill someone with a vehicle in Britan they are not allowed to shoot? Sounds to me like life is cheap in Britan...
It must be, since in the eyes of the British gov't you are NOT a citizen with rights. You are a subject of Parliament, subject to their silly laws.

That's why we broke away officially in 1776 and became the good ol' USA.
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It looks as if his finger went back to an indexed position as he exited the cab. Kind of hard to tell for sure, but he is well trained if I am seeing it right.

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I was in Israel last year on business. I had the opportunity to discuss the gun laws with locals. Just FYI, all citizens are required to perform 2 years of military service after high school and during that time, they receive world class training. You are required to register as a gun owner when obtaining a firearm. I was also told something I found interesting. As a registered firearm owner, you are required to produce the weapon any time the police may request it. Should you be unable to do so, you are placed in jail immediately until it is found, no matter how long it may take. Interesting approach to responsible gun ownership. I saw civilians both open carry and concealed carry (they aren't as terribly concerned about 'printing' as we tend to be) while I was there.
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In this case, the anti-gun guys were right. The bad guy was shot and killed so the body count increased by one due to the use of firearms.

Edit: Just to be clear, there is a significant amount of sarcasm in my statement.
Gee I hadn't noticed.
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