Just Asked Sandra Hutchens About Ccw

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Bombard

The questions need to be very leading. "Los Angeles issues CCWs primarily to the wealthy and famous, OC issues to ordinary people with a good cause. Will you keep the OC program as it is, or move toward LA's standard?"

Excellent.

[Dan M.]

Originally Posted by Norseman

There must be some OC members of this forum that belong to civic organizations such as the Rotary, Kawianas, Optomists, or Lions, that have breakfast meetings at local restuarants.

There's at least one OC guy (not me) who is a Rotarian.

[Norseman]

Apparently out of all the suggestions I made, the NRA seems to have gotten the most attention. Okay, I withdraw it. How about a full day spa treatment?

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Norseman

Apparently out of all the suggestions I made, the NRA seems to have gotten the most attention. Okay, I withdraw it. How about a full day spa treatment?

Since she's coming in after 2 sheriffs (Gates and Carona) that left office under a cloud of corruption, we can't give her as much as a breath mint.

[Norseman]

Whilst (did I just say whilst?) I agree with you in general theory; now is the time to lay that breath mint, along with some mocha mood candles from Starbucks, a bouquet of fresh flowers, some bubble bath, and whale mating music on her door step. Yes, I'm being a bit glib; but you get my point? Whether you agree or disagree with me; I've danced this dance, and have even been dipped a couple of times.

[FiringLion]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

I think the NRA thing is a bad idea.

The more I think about it, the more I do not see a way around the issues I at first considered, so agree with you.

I do like the enthusiasm of the impulse though!

Whale mating music might just possibly be a bit too suggestive.

Arguing against bubble bath to follow allegations of dirt just seems silly, but Bombard does have a good point: a self-cleaning candidate bodes well for a more stable future candidacy.

Better to apply gentle and persistent persuasion of the type Bombard proposes.

[naganthunter]

I came across an email which was posted on redcounty.com while trying to get a better idea about our new Sheriff's stance on CCW. According to the site, it was sent out by Supervisor Moorlach. You can read the entire email and redcounty's analysis of it here:

Moorlach: "Why I Voted For Sandra Hutchens" - OC BLOG, Part of the Red County Network
(note that the above gets more into the politics of the appointment, rather than having much of anything to do with CCW)

The part that caught my attention were these statements:

She was at ease during a difficult private interview and confident in her responses.
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I felt she had a better position on carrying concealed weapons. Her approach more closely mirrored the current policies and legal standards, which are working well.

Perhaps there was something more specific discussed in a "private interview" that the public was not able to see? If so, this may bode well for us?

.....

Additionally, I found this:

World Examiner: Concealed Carry

I approached Pat Bates about the CCW issue at this morning's State of the Community breakfast in Ladera Ranch. I asked Ms. Bates whether the appointment of Sandra Hutchens as Sheriff will mean a change in CCW issuance and renewal, and Ms. Bates replied that Ms. Hutchens made clear during the hearing there will be no change in policy (except there will be an audit of political c-a-ronies).

....

Granted, these are both random internet sites, and I'm not familiar with either of them. However, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the info is accurate!

[CCW Please]

well i know my fingers are crossed!

[TDA]

Originally Posted by CCW Please

has she started as sheriff already? when is/was her first day?

She has started already. As far as her first day is concerned, I'm not positive but I beleive it was late last week.

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by TDA

She has started already. As far as her first day is concerned, I'm not positive but I beleive it was late last week.

June 23 or 24 will be her first official day in office.

[TDA]

Originally Posted by Glock32

June 23 or 24 will be her first official day in office.

Ahem...yep, it's like I said she starts on June the 23rd or 24th.

[Norseman]

This doesn't sound too encouraging.

More OC CCW News:
New Orange County sheriff to review concealed-weapons permits - Los Angeles Times


New Orange County sheriff to review concealed-weapons permits
Sandra Hutchens says she wants to ensure that those issued licenses by her indicted predecessor have a good reason.
By Stuart Pfeifer and Christine Hanley, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
June 18, 2008
Newly appointed Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said Tuesday that she intends to review all the concealed-weapons permits that her indicted predecessor issued and revoke those of gun owners who can't prove a legal need to carry the weapons.

When former Sheriff Michael S. Carona resigned in January to focus on his upcoming federal corruption trial, he had issued more than 1,100 active carry permits -- among the most issued by any sheriff or police chief in the state. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca, by contrast, has issued fewer than 400.

Many were issued to traditional holders: judges, prosecutors, jewelers or others whose occupation leaves them in fear for their safety.

But others included wealthy white-collar businessmen, doctors, dentists and financial contributors to Carona's political campaigns.

In its October indictment, a federal grand jury accused Carona of having issued a concealed-weapons permit to a businessman who had previously been convicted of unlawfully possessing a concealed weapon. Others to whom Carona issued licenses included Orange County Republican Party activists Michael Schroeder and Adam Probolsky. Schroeder could not be reached, and Probolsky declined to comment.

Hutchens said she intends to review each permit and determine whether the gun owners demonstrated an immediate fear for their safety or held an occupation so inherently dangerous that they needed to carry concealed weapons in public.

"The important thing to me is they need to have demonstrated a need," Hutchens said.

And if there's no need, she'll revoke the permits. "That's probably not going to be popular with a lot of people," she said.

Hayden Heal, a gun ownership advocate who served on a committee that drafted Carona's weapons permit policy, said he thought Hutchens was well advised to review the existing permits.

"I would be surprised if she didn't review all of the policies, especially when you have the controversies Carona had in his demise. I'm quite sure the new lady wants to make sure everything is squeaky clean and make sure there's no patronage," Heal said. "I think it would be in everyone's best interest to have them reviewed. It's not just the smart thing, but the right thing."

Carona's policy allowed people to be issued concealed-weapons permits if they passed background checks and demonstrated good cause, as determined by the sheriff.

Heal, who was issued a permit for self-protection in his role as a treasurer for a charitable foundation tied to the National Rifle Assn., said he has continually been asked to produce documentation to support his application. He is up for his two-year renewal this year.

"They always seem to want something on paper, so it's just not a handshake and a kiss, and here's your permit," Heal said.

In addition to her concerns about the concealed weapons, Hutchens said she would review the files of all reserve deputies, to make sure anyone serving as a volunteer is qualified and sincerely interested in helping the department.

Shortly after taking office in 1999, Carona appointed scores of campaign donors as reserve deputies, issuing them badges and in some cases guns without background checks or training. The appointments escaped public scrutiny until 2005, when a Los Angeles Times article raised questions about whether Carona was handing out badges as political favors -- an allegation he denied.

Over the years, several reserves with close ties to Carona have been caught misusing their credentials.

In one of the most serious instances, Carona's longtime martial arts instructor was accused of flashing a gun and badge at members of a foursome playing ahead of him on a San Bernardino County golf course.

Raymond Yi was convicted in May of making a criminal threat and could be sentenced to up to three years in prison.

The department needs the reserves "if they are here for the right reasons. If you're here for personal gain, if you want a badge or a gun, we don't need you," Hutchens said. "It certainly shouldn't be a political favor

[sealbeach]

That article is pandering to the general sheeple, typical press release designed to calm and soothe the general population. "Nothing to see here, move along, we have the situation well under control".

I am not going to get worked up over that article, but we should quit posting in this frigging thread unless we really have an update from her!

[Glock32]

Originally Posted by TDA

Ahem...yep, it's like I said she starts on June the 23rd or 24th.

CCWInstructor

She starts on 6/24.

you did? sorry then.

[Aegis]

Since Hutchins is coming from LA County I think she will take a hard line on CCW permits. Issuance will be few and far between, not like here predacessors policy. We need more SHeriffs like Margaret Mimms, Fresno County.