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06-05-2008, 04:48 PM
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It has nothing to do with telling a LEO you use it for self defense. Especially if it is clipped to the inside of your pocket and closed. And walking around town with a bat will not get you in to any more trouble than walking around with a big stick or an umbrella or a hockey stick. You might get questioned by the police, but no crime is being committed.
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06-05-2008, 04:57 PM
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As a CCW holder, one of the biggest things in the front of your mind has to be WEAPON RETENTION.... From the Time Post candidates are issued a firearm, they begin learning (the hard way) about weapon retention (DIs, who theyve learned to fear and respect, will walk up to them, and TAKE THEIR GUNS, and scream, I JUST SHOT YOU TO DEATH WITH YOUR FIREARM... NOW YOUR PARTNER LEO HAS TO NOTIFY YOUR FAMILY THAT YOU'RE DEAD.... GET OUT OF MY SIGHT!!!!- And they dont give them the gun back til they damn well want to).
Nothing aids in Firearm retention better than a tactical folder, especially one that can be opened with the weak hand only.... While youre trying to retain your firearm with your strong hand,(forcing it DOWN into the holster) your left hand is drawing your tactical folder and STABBING THE BAD GUY IN THE BACK OF HIS HAND, arm, anything that will make him let go of your gun....
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06-05-2008, 05:06 PM
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I did hang out with a group of guys in High School, and one evening while loafing outside the association pool, a cop car pulled up. Only one guy, not afriend of the group really, there had a car, and the door was open. The reason the car pulled up, presumably on a homeowner's complaint, was that this guy was drinking a beer and appeared under age (he was). Once they pointed that out to the guy, they also peeked into his car through the open door and pulled out one of those mini baseball bats that the ball parks used to give out as souveniers. They asked him what it was for and he said fishing. They asked where his fishing gear was, and he said that is all he uses for fishing. He got the ticket for underage drinking AND the bat. What PC they used, I have no idea; I must have been 17 at the time. Turns out later this guy had frequent run ins with the FVPD, so it was no surprise that they went all out on anything they cuold find with him. Fountain Valley was a rough neighborhood in 1977, LOL.
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06-05-2008, 08:47 PM
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Ok, who's the smartass that submitted my resume to the Community Relations Division?!
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06-05-2008, 10:10 PM
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06-05-2008, 10:41 PM
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Kinves...... I've been carrying some form of "cutter" since I was 5 years old when Dad bought me a cattlemans knife.....the teachers in class used to get the "boys" to open boxes etc... If you were good in class, you got to open the teachers box with your cutter....
When I am working as a Probation type officer... I carry at least 4... a mini-multi tool... a cheap one from walmart... a victornox with a 2.75 in or so blade....that the county gave me for my 10 year aniversery present... a cold steel 4 in. tanto in the left side of the plate pocket on my vest.. (we wear them outside of the shirt with a tac vest over so I can access it with either hand)... and a ZT knives 301 on the right side... When off duty... the zt goes with me along with the mini -leatherman and the victornox.... Which do I use the most? It is a toss up between the victornox and the mini multi tool... used the V. to make entry to a house for the purpose of arresting a perp type probationer today... But the large cutters are just handy.. I've used them to field dress game and would use one if someone was trying a gun-grab and I had no other option.. but mostly I just carry knives because they are useful and I have always carried one... growing up I just assumed all men carried knives...every cowboy I knew carried one...and I grew up around cowboys and cops.... the clip on the handle of knives was the best invention kinda thing since sliced bread... whoever invented that deserves a huge medal! and royalties....! Up with capitalism! 
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06-05-2008, 11:02 PM
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Not too long ago, my wife and I were out at a function. She asked me to open something with my knife. I had actually forgotten to bring it along. She gave me a funny look and said: "Who are you, and what have you done with my husband!"
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06-05-2008, 11:06 PM
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My late father-in-law always said, "a fella needs a knife!"
I could tell one funny story where he used that line, but that's not for this forum. 
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06-06-2008, 12:36 AM
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 I carry one on duty, a benchmade auto opener. I use it to cut shoe laces off and to pry my way into locked gates.
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06-06-2008, 12:43 AM
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I dug up a mini dissertation on the legality of knives in CA. I'll see if I can find it and post it later.
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06-06-2008, 01:24 AM
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06-06-2008, 10:09 AM
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06-06-2008, 10:19 AM
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06-06-2008, 10:31 AM
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True, but whether or not the charge sticks doesn't stop you from being hauled in, assuming they want to get you for something. If questioned, it seems that it would be a lot better to just say its for a reason other than self-defense wouldn't it?
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06-06-2008, 11:51 AM
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When I was a grad student I was studying late at the library, about 2am, and went to walk to my car - about 2 frigging miles away in the unlit parking lot far from civilization.
I had a maglite 5C with me. Halfway there a campus cop stopped me and started in. I'd been up since 5 and probably failed both the attitude and appearance tests. He wanted my student ID (no problem) and my DL (again, no problem, then he wanted my class schedule and what class I was studying for and a silibus to that class (happened to have all that, plus a textbook written by the Professor.) I don't know what got him sparked up but he was looking for someone to occupy his time. Then he started in on the flashlight, telling me that weapons weren't allowed on campus and he was going to cite me for it. I told him IT'S A FLASHLIGHT, NOT A WEAPON. He sarcastically said right, sure, it's a flashlight, why do you have a flashlight. I stopped and looked at him a long time. Finally I said "It's night. It's dark. A flashlight makes it light. We use it to see where we are going when it's dark. I'm going home now." I walked away and figured he could do nothing or arrest me, and by that point I was so exhausted I didn't care. I heard later that he was fired for trying kind of thing on a student with a connection to the Chancellor's office.
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