Open Carry in CA?

[naganthunter]

Originally Posted by Glock32

I only see folks open-carry when I hunt (duh!) or when I'm in Arizona. I can count the times I have notice a holstered gun on a non LEO on one hand. And I spend a lot of time in AZ. Reality is, nobody does it anymore. CCW is so easy in most states, why bother with all the disadvantages of open carry, even if it was legal?
If ccw was impossible and open-carry (loaded of course. We all know an unloaded gun will get you killed) the only legal option I believe more folks would do it. What these guys here in Ca do with their uloaded open carry is a waste of time. All it does is make gun owners look like idiots and troublemakers. That is the last thing we need in Ca.
Just my 2c.

x2

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Turtle72

To call the person an idiot for obeying the law, is uncalled for. Many people believe that people who own guns, let alone carry one concealed have some kind of mental illness, or cop fantasy. Where i work, extremely liberal work enviroment, they believe that all guns should be banned and that only law enforcement and the government should have guns. So let's be civil to the few of us left who understand the importance of the second amendment.

Hmmmmm... Let me consider this for a minute....










Nope... They're still idiots.


This has nothing to do with the second amendment, so let me dissuade you of that mistaken notion....

Its not 1830 anymore.... If you open carry its just a matter of time before a cop wants to know WTF is up with it, as it is his JOB.... He has no way of knowing whether the gun is LOADED and you're breaking the law, or the gun is unloaded and your'e not. And until he knows, you're going to get his gun pointed in your face.... and when guns are pointed in peoples faces, accidents can happen....


It amazes me the same morons who constantly throw out the "Its better to be judged by twelve than carried by six" pap, espouse open carry... If you ILLEGALLY carry concealed, its a MISDEMEANOR , but you're a hell of a lot less likely to get SHOT illegally carrying concealed than if you LEGALLY open carry.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Turtle72

To call the person an idiot for obeying the law, is uncalled for. Many people believe that people who own guns, let alone carry one concealed have some kind of mental illness, or cop fantasy. Where i work, extremely liberal work enviroment, they believe that all guns should be banned and that only law enforcement and the government should have guns. So let's be civil to the few of us left who understand the importance of the second amendment.

How about quick trip in the Wayback machine?

From the American Law Encyclopedia

Police violence against African Americans was a common complaint in impoverished Oakland, California. By 1966, two young men had had enough. One was HUEY P. NEWTON, age 23, a first-year law student. With his friend Bobby Seale, age 30, Newton founded the BPP (Black Panther Party), with the intent of monitoring police officers when they made arrests. This bold tactic—already being employed in Minneapolis by the nascent AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT (AIM)—was entirely legal. Also legal under California state law was the practice of carrying a loaded weapon, as long as it was visible. But legal or not, the sight of Newton and Seale bearing shotguns as they rushed to the scene of an arrest had enormous shock value. To police officers and citizens alike, this represented a huge change from the previously nonviolent demonstrations of civil rights activists. Although they did not use the guns and maintained the legally required eight to ten feet from officers, the Panthers inspired fear. They also quickly won respect from neighbors who saw them as standing up to the predominantly white police force. The law books they carried—and from which they read criminal suspects their rights—appeared to many in the community to give the Panthers a kind of legitimacy.

Attracting new members through their high visibility, the Panthers sprang to national attention in 1967. Antagonism toward the party by law enforcement officials had prompted California lawmakers to consider GUN CONTROL. In May 1967, legislators met in Sacramento, the state capital, to discuss a bill that would criminalize the carrying of loaded weapons within city limits. To Seale and Newton, chairman and minister of defense of the BPP, respectively, the proposed law was unjust.

On May 2, 1967, armed members of the Black Panther Party enter the California state capital to protest a bill restricting the carrying of arms in public.
AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS

Governor RONALD REAGAN was on the lawn of the state legislature as 30 armed Black Panthers arrived and entered the building. TV cameras followed the group's progress to the legislative chambers, where they were stopped by police officers, Seale shouting, "Is this the way the racist government works—[you] won't let a man exercise his constitutional rights?" He then read a prepared statement:

The Black Panther Party calls upon American people in general and black people in particular to take full note of the racist California legislature which is now considering legislation aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless, at the very same time that racist police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror, brutality, murder and repression of black people.

The Panthers kept their guns, left the building, and were subsequently disarmed by the police.

Here's Bobby Seal talking about it on video, in Realplayer format

http://www.bobbyseale.com/panthers_capitol.ram

The law passed both houses of the legislature the next day, and Gov. Reagan signed it into law the following day.

[CalCCW03]

CalCCW.com is a Concealed Carry web site, hence the "CCW". In the past we have allowed open carry discussions. No more. Any future OC threads will be summarily locked and possibly deleted. Members who start OC threads will be politely reminded of the rules... once.

Thank you.