Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits

[Greg-Dawg®]

This would be a radical move!

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Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits
Last updated Monday, April 14, 2008 8:06 PM CDT in News
By Aaron Sadler
THE MORNING NEWS

WASHINGTON -- Americans with state-issued concealed weapons permits would be allowed to carry guns wherever they travel in the country under a bill introduced Monday by 3rd District Rep. John Boozman, R-Rogers.

The measure would eliminate a mishmash of concealed weapons regulations that vary from state to state, Boozman contends. All states would be forced to recognize concealed handgun permits from elsewhere.

Gun control advocates oppose the bill. They say that gun permit standards in some states are so weak that other jurisdictions deserve the right to refuse those license holders.

Boozman said the bill ensures Second Amendment rights.

"I've always felt like you can have a gun, openly display it, and there not be a problem," he said. That some states reject licensed permits from other states "infringes on the Constitution."

Nearly 62,000 Arkansans have concealed gun permits.

Arkansas permit holders are allowed to carry a concealed weapon in 27 states, including every neighboring state.

Arkansas recognizes permits issued in 30 states.

Fourteen states do not recognize permits issued elsewhere.

"You have friends who are used to having a gun in their car and things like that, then inadvertently being over the state line or out of state and being concerned they were running afoul of state law," Boozman said.

Boozman's bill would require even Illinois and Wisconsin, which do not have right-to-carry laws, to recognize licenses issued in other states.

A bipartisan group of 33 House members are co-sponsors of the bill, Boozman said.

He acknowledged that it may be difficult to gain enough support for the legislation, and said there is anti-gun sentiment in the Democratic-led Congress. But he cited statistics that indicate crime decreases in states with concealed guns laws.

According to a study cited by the National Rifle Association, violent crime declined each year from 1977 to 1994 in jurisdictions where a concealed gun law was in effect.

Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said his organization is not anti-gun, but it opposes the bill because of its impact on states.

"There are already too many states that have too weak a system of approving people for concealed-carry permits," Hamm said. "I don't think the majority of states want to rely on the systems of other states to let someone carry a loaded, concealed handgun across state borders."

For instance, Florida's standards are so low that some death-row inmates there have permits, he said.

Arkansas at one time had minimum reciprocity requirements, said state police spokesman Bill Sadler. Those regulations mandated that other states' training standards must be equal to or stronger than Arkansas' minimum requirements for a permit holder.

The General Assembly since has stripped those requirements, Sadler said.

Sadler said he would not comment on the merits of Boozman's bill until he had seen the proposed legislation.

Boozman said he feels strongly that Americans should be allowed to carry guns.

"I grew up in Arkansas, and it was not uncommon to see people in high school with gun racks in the back of their trucks, who would go squirrel hunting after school was over," Boozman said. "To be honest, it's something I always felt like there wasn't any question we could do these things."

His 26-year-old daughter, Kristen Boozman, has an Arkansas concealed weapons permit, as do other family members, he said. The congressman himself does not.

There is hope! UT/FL permits would be allowed here!

[OIS]

Would you please indicate Bill Number and if it is in a committee.

Also the language of the Bill and any co-sponsors.

Dear CCW friends I wonder if we could "Boilerplate" support for this measure. Then send the email after changing a word here and there. Also a call to their offices helps too.

I don't want to potitacize this site but I would like to know which candidate for president would be most aminable to national CC.

Best wishes,

OIS

[RomanDad]

Repost

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/announc...ciprocity.html

[Craneboy]

Peter Hamm of the Brady Institute says that Florida requirements are lax enough that some Death Row inmates have CCW Permits.

That has got to be wrong, I have a lot of trouble believing that. Does anybody know if that is true?

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by Craneboy

Peter Hamm of the Brady Institute says that Florida requirements are lax enough that some Death Row inmates have CCW Permits.

That has got to be wrong, I have a lot of trouble believing that. Does anybody know if that is true?

It's not true.

From the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, Licensing Division - Concealed Weapon or Firearm Program, Eligibility

Eligibility Requirements

o You must be 21 years of age or older.
o You must be able to demonstrate competency with a firearm.
o Unless you are serving overseas in the United States Armed Forces, you must currently reside in the United States (US) AND be a US citizen or deemed a lawful permanent resident alien by Department of Homeland Security, US Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS). If you are serving overseas in the US Armed Forces, submit a copy of your deployment documentation with your application. If you are not a US citizen, submit documentation issued by the USCIS proving you are a permanent legal resident alien with proof you have resided in the state of residence (as shown on your application) for at least 90 consecutive days prior to the date the application is submitted.

Proof of residence includes, but is not limited to:
o Monthly utility, telephone, power, or cable bills, which show your name and address.
o Monthly pay stubs or other documentation from your employer, which show your name and address.
o Monthly credit card statements, which show your name and address.

Possible Reasons for Ineligibility:

o The physical inability to handle a firearm safely.
o A felony conviction (unless civil and firearm rights have been restored by the convicting authority).
o Having adjudication withheld or sentence suspended on a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence unless three years have elapsed since probation or other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled.
o A conviction for a misdemeanor crime of violence in the last three years.
o A conviction for violation of controlled substance laws or multiple arrests for such offenses.
o A record of drug or alcohol abuse.
o Two or more DUI convictions within the previous three years.
o Being committed to a mental institution or adjudged incompetent or mentally defective.
o Failing to provide proof of proficiency with a firearm.
o Having been issued a domestic violence injunction or an injunction against repeat violence that is currently in force.
o Renouncement of U.S. citizenship.
o A dishonorable discharge from the armed forces.
o Being a fugitive from justice.

I know FL has more people on Death Row than California, but I'm pretty sure you have to be convicted of a felony before they put you there. I suppose it's possible a judge could sentence a person to death and then restore his civil and firearm rights, but I'd bet against it.

[libertarian]

However, it's certainly possible that if someone with a record applied for a FLA permit, the records check could get screwed up and they might be issued one. Records checks are not infallible, especially if someone has a common name.

Even if they were issued a permit by mistake, they would be committing a crime by carrying a weapon, if they were otherwise prohibited from owning one.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by libertarian

However, it's certainly possible that if someone with a record applied for a FLA permit, the records check could get screwed up and they might be issued one. Records checks are not infallible, especially if someone has a common name.

Even if they were issued a permit by mistake, they would be committing a crime by carrying a weapon, if they were otherwise prohibited from owning one.

And I feel confidant that prison regulations would prohibit a death row inmate from carrying a concealed firearm within the prison grounds.

There are probably death row inmates with driver's licenses, too. They aren't doing any driving.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by Craneboy

Peter Hamm of the Brady Institute says that Florida requirements are lax enough that some Death Row inmates have CCW Permits.

That has got to be wrong, I have a lot of trouble believing that. Does anybody know if that is true?

Write him a letter and ask him for the names of Florida Death row inmates who have CCW permits.

[NSP]

I think this is a great idea. If you can drive in Oregon with a California driver's license then the same should be for CCW permits.

[pistola]

So I got a little curious and tried to reach the author of the article, Aaron Sadler at the Morning news but no one there seems to have heard of him. So I went to the heart and called Peter Hamm directly. I wish I had recorded the call so I could have him in all his backtracking glory for all to hear. HE said, " It turns out I mis-spoke. There is not actually anyone who is on death row who holds a cww permit in the State of Florida. There are convicted Felons who do hold ccw permits but they most likely held them before they were convicted."
He had a few more things to say but the above is a direct quote. I just hung up with him several minutes ago. You didn't mis speak Mr. Hamm, you lied. You lied to spread propaganda to support your cause which may be just if correctly prosecuted but is reduced to the clamoring of fools in light of your continued maleficence.

A copy of his following email.

Hi - nice to speak with you!

Here are two links - the first goes to a Sun-Sentinel story about the Governor saying he'll work to
clean up the problems with the system - the second is to a page with multiple links to part of the
special series.

Feel free to send reporters to me who want me to clarify that it's not death row inmates, just garden
variety convicted murderers!

Gov. Crist calls for meeting on loopholes in concealed weapons law -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
License to Carry: A Sun-Sentinel Investigation -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

best regards,


Peter Hamm, Communications Director
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
202-898-0792
phamm@bradymail.org

[pistola]

The problem with the Sun -Sentinal links is that for all the people they list most of them continue to hold their permits due to errors in the way they were charged or sentenced, not through any error of the issuing authority.

Also there is only one person in their stories who held a permit and was arrested for murder. But he only held the permit until he was arrested when it was revoked. Therefore, there are no "garden variety murderers" in Florida holding CCW permits.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by pistola

So I got a little curious and tried to reach the author of the article, Aaron Sadler at the Morning news but no one there seems to have heard of him. So I went to the heart and called Peter Hamm directly. I wish I had recorded the call so I could have him in all his backtracking glory for all to hear. HE said, " It turns out I mis-spoke. There is not actually anyone who is on death row who holds a cww permit in the State of Florida. There are convicted Felons who do hold ccw permits but they most likely held them before they were convicted."
He had a few more things to say but the above is a direct quote. I just hung up with him several minutes ago. You didn't mis speak Mr. Hamm, you lied. You lied to spread propaganda to support your cause which may be just if correctly prosecuted but is reduced to the clamoring of fools in light of your continued maleficence.

A copy of his following email.

Hi - nice to speak with you!

Here are two links - the first goes to a Sun-Sentinel story about the Governor saying he'll work to
clean up the problems with the system - the second is to a page with multiple links to part of the
special series.

Feel free to send reporters to me who want me to clarify that it's not death row inmates, just garden
variety convicted murderers!

Gov. Crist calls for meeting on loopholes in concealed weapons law -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
License to Carry: A Sun-Sentinel Investigation -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

best regards,


Peter Hamm, Communications Director
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
202-898-0792
phamm@bradymail.org

All in all, I think the guy is a major weenie and I disagree with him on EVERYTHING.... But he earned a lot more respect in my eyes by admitting he was wrong....

[pistola]

Why? He got away with lying on a major scale and no retraction in the world will change the opinions of those who have already read it and made up their minds. He made his point and a LOT of people will believe he is right no matter what else is said. The damage was done, he didn't hurt his position one bit by saying he was wrong.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by pistola

HE said, " It turns out I mis-spoke. There is not actually anyone who is on death row who holds a cww permit in the State of Florida. There are convicted Felons who do hold ccw permits but they most likely held them before they were convicted."

Straight up steamy pile of Bee Ess!!!! To mis-speak something is to say "Hand me my rat" when you meant "hat". To base your point off a paragraph that is something entirely fictitious is called lying or even misinformed. To say he "mis-spoke" is just thumbing his nose at us.

[pistola]

I'm not done. I'm going to speak to the chief editor of the morning news in the morning and see about getting a follow up to this article printed.