Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by pistola

I'm not done. I'm going to speak to the chief editor of the morning news in the morning and see about getting a follow up to this article printed.

Very good. Please let us know how it goes, and give us an email address if it might help.

[NSP]

If you need people so sign on it or some backup support just let us know.

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by Greg-Dawg®

This would be a radical move!

Link: The Morning News: News : Bill Forces States To Accept Concealed Gun Permits



There is hope! UT/FL permits would be allowed here!

Only permits for in-state residents will be the most likely outcome, if it even passes. So, no, your UT/FL still will not be good in CA if you are a non-res of UT/FL.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by pistola

Why? He got away with lying on a major scale and no retraction in the world will change the opinions of those who have already read it and made up their minds. He made his point and a LOT of people will believe he is right no matter what else is said. The damage was done, he didn't hurt his position one bit by saying he was wrong.

+1, you are right, the people who believed him will forever run around telling others about how lax the laws are "because they read it in the newspaper". Yellow journalism at it's worst.

Wasn't there some well known sports/gun/hunting writer who badmouthed AW's a while back, which did a huge amount of harm to gun owners, and his own career. Same situation, he later retracted it, but the damage was already done. Swine.

[tango-52]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

+1, you are right, the people who believed him will forever run around telling others about how lax the laws are "because they read it in the newspaper". Yellow journalism at it's worst.

Wasn't there some well known sports/gun/hunting writer who badmouthed AW's a while back, which did a huge amount of harm to gun owners, and his own career. Same situation, he later retracted it, but the damage was already done. Swine.

Zumbo.

[AuburnHunter]

Originally Posted by sealbeach

Wasn't there some well known sports/gun/hunting writer who badmouthed AW's a while back, which did a huge amount of harm to gun owners, and his own career. Same situation, he later retracted it, but the damage was already done. Swine.

Yup, Jim Zumbo. Several of his sponsors dropped him, his column was dropped from Outdoor Life, and the Outdoor Channel halted his show for awhile (it is back on the air now).

His comments were also used by a Senator as support for the reinstatement of the Federal AW ban.

Zumbo had to do some serious apologizing and crow eating.

[Bombard]

I didn't know Zumbo was back on the air. I'm sorry to hear that.

[NSP]

"Aw's"? What are those?

[flyingm]

Originally Posted by NSP

"Aw's"? What are those?

"Assault Weapons"

You know,otherwise normal rifles that have scary looking attachments like pistol grips and telescoping stalks which mean they must be evil. /sarcasm

[AF_int1n0]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Only permits for in-state residents will be the most likely outcome, if it even passes. So, no, your UT/FL still will not be good in CA if you are a non-res of UT/FL.

But my Texas permit would be!!! Sorry.. had to say it.

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by AF_int1n0

But my Texas permit would be!!! Sorry.. had to say it.

Not unless you're a resident of Texas....

[Drtop]

Right-To-Carry
The Stearns/Boucher Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill

H.R. 861 and S. 388, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns’ (R-Fla.) and Rich Boucher (D-Va.), and in the U.S> Senate by Senators John Thune R-S.D., and Ben Nelson, D-Neb. would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows: In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.

• Today, 48 states have laws permitting concealed carry, in some circumstances. Forty states, accounting for two-thirds of the U.S. population, have RTC laws. Thirty-six have "shall issue" permit laws (including Alaska, which also allows carrying without a permit), three have fairly administered "discretionary issue" permit laws, and Vermont (and Alaska) allow carrying without a permit. (Eight states have restrictive discretionary issue laws.) Most RTC states have adopted their laws in the last decade.

• Citizens with carry permits are more law-abiding than the general public. Only 0.01% of nearly 1.2 million permits issued by Florida have been revoked because of firearm crimes by permit holders. Similarly low percentages of permits have been revoked in Texas, Virginia, and other RTC states that keep such statistics. RTC is widely supported by law enforcement officials and groups.

• States with RTC laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% lower murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. The seven states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)

• Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida’s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 32% and 58%, respectively. Texas’ violent crime and murder rates have dropped 20% and 31%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)

• The right of self-defense is fundamental, and has been recognized in law for centuries. The Declaration of Independence asserts that "life" is among the unalienable rights of all people. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms for "security."

• The laws of all states and constitutions of most states recognize the right to use force in self-defense. The Supreme Court has stated that a person "may repel force by force" in self-defense, and is "entitled to stand his ground and meet any attack made upon him with a deadly weapon, in such a way and with such force" as needed to prevent "great bodily injury or death." (Beard v. U.S., 1895)

• Congress affirmed the right to guns for "protective purposes" in the Gun Control Act (1968) and Firearm Owners’ Protection Act (1986). In 1982, the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution described the right to arms as "a right of the individual citizen to privately possess and carry in a peaceful manner firearms and similar arms."


Posted: 4/26/2007 12:00:00 AM

[NikNak]

Originally Posted by pistola

So I got a little curious and tried to reach the author of the article, Aaron Sadler at the Morning news but no one there seems to have heard of him. So I went to the heart and called Peter Hamm directly. I wish I had recorded the call so I could have him in all his backtracking glory for all to hear. HE said, " It turns out I mis-spoke. There is not actually anyone who is on death row who holds a cww permit in the State of Florida. There are convicted Felons who do hold ccw permits but they most likely held them before they were convicted."
He had a few more things to say but the above is a direct quote. I just hung up with him several minutes ago. You didn't mis speak Mr. Hamm, you lied. You lied to spread propaganda to support your cause which may be just if correctly prosecuted but is reduced to the clamoring of fools in light of your continued maleficence.

A copy of his following email.

Hi - nice to speak with you!

Here are two links - the first goes to a Sun-Sentinel story about the Governor saying he'll work to
clean up the problems with the system - the second is to a page with multiple links to part of the
special series.

Feel free to send reporters to me who want me to clarify that it's not death row inmates, just garden
variety convicted murderers!

Gov. Crist calls for meeting on loopholes in concealed weapons law -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
License to Carry: A Sun-Sentinel Investigation -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

best regards,


Peter Hamm, Communications Director
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
202-898-0792
phamm@bradymail.org

Looks like I'll be making another phone call on Monday.

[AF_int1n0]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Not unless you're a resident of Texas....

Which I am...

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by AF_int1n0

Which I am...

Then youre golden....

Originally Posted by Drtop

Right-To-Carry
The Stearns/Boucher Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill

H.R. 861 and S. 388, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns’ (R-Fla.) and Rich Boucher (D-Va.), and in the U.S> Senate by Senators John Thune R-S.D., and Ben Nelson, D-Neb. would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows: In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations. The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. It would not create a federal licensing system; it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.

• Today, 48 states have laws permitting concealed carry, in some circumstances. Forty states, accounting for two-thirds of the U.S. population, have RTC laws. Thirty-six have "shall issue" permit laws (including Alaska, which also allows carrying without a permit), three have fairly administered "discretionary issue" permit laws, and Vermont (and Alaska) allow carrying without a permit. (Eight states have restrictive discretionary issue laws.) Most RTC states have adopted their laws in the last decade.

• Citizens with carry permits are more law-abiding than the general public. Only 0.01% of nearly 1.2 million permits issued by Florida have been revoked because of firearm crimes by permit holders. Similarly low percentages of permits have been revoked in Texas, Virginia, and other RTC states that keep such statistics. RTC is widely supported by law enforcement officials and groups.

• States with RTC laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% lower murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. The seven states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)

• Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida’s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 32% and 58%, respectively. Texas’ violent crime and murder rates have dropped 20% and 31%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)

• The right of self-defense is fundamental, and has been recognized in law for centuries. The Declaration of Independence asserts that "life" is among the unalienable rights of all people. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms for "security."

• The laws of all states and constitutions of most states recognize the right to use force in self-defense. The Supreme Court has stated that a person "may repel force by force" in self-defense, and is "entitled to stand his ground and meet any attack made upon him with a deadly weapon, in such a way and with such force" as needed to prevent "great bodily injury or death." (Beard v. U.S., 1895)

• Congress affirmed the right to guns for "protective purposes" in the Gun Control Act (1968) and Firearm Owners’ Protection Act (1986). In 1982, the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution described the right to arms as "a right of the individual citizen to privately possess and carry in a peaceful manner firearms and similar arms."


Posted: 4/26/2007 12:00:00 AM

THIS is awesome... About time somebody told the truth on the subject.