If no ccw license, can we unlock case container and prepared load the gun

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

Ok back to what you could have done. Walk in to house where you could have loaded handgun to your hearts content.

Better yet a shotgun. A rifle. You name it.

Why stay in truck in driveway where you were a sitting duck regardless of your illegally loaded handgun in your lap? If both gang bangers jumped out of their car and used it as cover as they sprayed the cab of your truck. HEck they just ruined your lunch at the very least!!!

Exactly. Either use the vehicle as a means of escape or abandon it for the house. Sitting IN the truck puts you at a disadvantage. There would be places where they could fire at you and you'd be basically unable to return fire.

[GlockDoc]

Originally Posted by PTL

The book says you must have handgun in lock container or padlock. But load with magazine must be separate and the magazines must in the glove box. So you can legally carry unload handgun and separate magazine (load bullets).

PTL,

For clarification, were your magazines already loaded and in the glove box?



Doc

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by GlockDoc

PTL,

For clarification, were your magazines already loaded and in the glove box?



Doc

Glockdoc,

Do you have a book "How do I own a gun and stay out of jail" with you. Can you look at Chapter 2 and page 51 , read the topic " Locked Container in Motor Vehicle".

I was decided to have a loaded clip in the glove box, but it says a loaded clip in plain view on the seat next to the bag. This might allow relatively easy access to the gun in an emergency. But, but, but there is a book has misinterpreter it says clip in the glove box and other says clip on the seat next to the bag. It was a little tricky on us with that California Laws.

However, what can I do to is, I leave my handgun in home and don't bring it with me while I go to work. I may injury or die at anytime at outside home (in public or street or anywhere).

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by PTL

However, what can I do to is, I leave my handgun in home and don't bring it with me while I go to work.

That is YOUR correct answer. And in the future, leave the scene and call 911. You had plenty of time to get away from others whom you thought were suspicious. If you have not learned that your first thoughts should be to call 911 and/or leave the scene, you are in for a big surprise.

and for the record, you cannot keep an UNLOADED pistol in a locked container "just because".

please read the whole book. and re-read until you understand.

[AMS MIKE]

and to add what i said above. Do not bring your gun UNLOADED in the car unless you are going to a gunsmith for work done on that gun, going to the range, or going to do a PPT at a FFL. Locked in container and unloaded. no ammo in the the same container.

again....the book explains ALL of this.

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by akulahawk

PTL, those guys were likely on a public street. Barring any sort of cruising ordnance, they have every right to be where they were. Get it? What were they actually doing that was illegal? Threatening to you? It certainly sounds like you certainly had a reason to increase your awareness, but I don't see any actual articulable reason to load-up your weapon.

Are you on the deed for that house? If not, it's NOT YOUR PROPERTY. Get it? You were in a publicly accessible area of private property even if you had permission from the homeowner to have your firearm on their property. With some very specific exceptions, loading up your pistol violates PC 12031 in that circumstance. Get it?

Look, I don't necessarily have an issue with HOW you transport that weapon around. It's that you need to be very, very sure you are in imminent danger of attack, not just a fear of being attacked in order for you to legally load your pistol. Reading words from the book is a good thing. Comprehending them is even better.

I apologize if I seem to be discussing some of the issues with you in a negative manner, but in this instance, it is difficult to discuss the issues without sounding like it. There is a lot to this issue that requires a lot of education. I, for one, would like you to learn the law and understand why we say what we say. It would be far better to learn from 'us' than to be arrested and have to learn the hard way.

I am awareness of "What IF" they have arms and may target to me. If they are threatening, then use gun, but if they are not threatening, then no gun. Is that make sense. That is very imminent danger of attack.

My mother (homeowner) she knows I have a handgun, is okay with me on her property.

That is alright, I am still learner from the California Laws, as well as from CalCCWers too..

[PTLACDTYN]

[quote=BonoVox;49718]Ok back to what you could have done. Walk in to house where you could have loaded handgun to your hearts content.

Better yet a shotgun. A rifle. You name it.

Bonovox,

Shotgun? Nah, I do not like a shotgun. It can kill to a man when you are shooting the shotgun. 12 guage or 20 guage that is hurt and kill.

[BonoVox]

[quote]

Originally Posted by PTL

Ok back to what you could have done. Walk in to house where you could have loaded handgun to your hearts content.

Better yet a shotgun. A rifle. You name it.

Bonovox,

Shotgun? Nah, I do not like a shotgun. It can kill to a man when you are shooting the shotgun. 12 guage or 20 guage that is hurt and kill.

Good point!

[1buba]

I'm real curious of the GPS of this general encounter...

[PHM]

5150!!!!

[TaxMan]

Originally Posted by PTL

IT IS my mother's house. I work as construction for my boss (stepfather). GET IT!!

Wow, don't get all huffy with me. You never told us that in the beginning, I was using YOUR WORDS.

[akulahawk]

My comments in red below:

Originally Posted by PTL

I am awareness of "What IF" they have arms and may target to me. If they are threatening, then use gun, but if they are not threatening, then no gun. Is that make sense. That is very imminent danger of attack.
Them driving by does not constitute an immenent threat to you. The threat level that would require you to draw and fire was not present in this encounter, as described by you. The book actually explain to you at what point you may draw and fire. I'm pretty sure that most of the members here have generally taken some kind of a CCW or other weapons training that deals exactly with this point. They generally also pursue ongoing training too.

My mother (homeowner) she knows I have a handgun, is okay with me on her property.
That's fine, but her permission to have firearms on her property does not equal permission to you to load your firearm in a publicly accessible area of her property. I doubt that you were in an area that permits loaded carry without a permit/license.

That is alright, I am still learner from the California Laws, as well as from CalCCWers too..

Rifles, shotguns, pistols, all require training to be able to employ them safely, successfully, and most importantly, legally for self defense purposes. I suggest that you seek out and take training in personal defense with a firearm. Probably just as beneficial would be some sort unarmed combative training. That would give you a range of options that would not necessarily include use of deadly force to stop a non-deadly force threat.

[Quietpi]

Shotgun? Nah, I do not like a shotgun. It can kill to a man when you are shooting the shotgun. 12 guage or 20 guage that is hurt and kill.

PTL, this quotation demonstrates a serious lack of understanding regarding the proper application of deadly force, and/or how to conduct yourself in a potentially dangerous situation. Please, before you consider carrying any weapon, even pepper spray, seek out some training from a reputable source.

[GlockDoc]

Originally Posted by PTL

Glockdoc,

Do you have a book "How do I own a gun and stay out of jail" with you. Can you look at Chapter 2 and page 51 , read the topic " Locked Container in Motor Vehicle".

I was decided to have a loaded clip in the glove box, but it says a loaded clip in plain view on the seat next to the bag. This might allow relatively easy access to the gun in an emergency. But, but, but there is a book has misinterpreter it says clip in the glove box and other says clip on the seat next to the bag. It was a little tricky on us with that California Laws.

However, what can I do to is, I leave my handgun in home and don't bring it with me while I go to work. I may injury or die at anytime at outside home (in public or street or anywhere).

First off, I have not read the book (How do I...). But help me out here guys, isn't PTL in violation of 12031 PC? And the glove box isn't considered a locked container (12026.1 PC) . That is my interpretation of it.

12031(g) PC

"A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine,..."

12026.1(a)(1) PC

"The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment."

PTL,

If you feel your life is threatened by someone simply "staring" at you as they drive by, I recommend eating lunch in Mom-in-law's house (just to be safe) next time.

[CenterX]

Folks,
By this thread, it appears that PTL is under a lot of stress.

Benefit of doubt and benefit of good intentions - balance.
We all have read a lot into and around CA law that aids in the confusion over the years. Even politicians, judges and lawyers don't agree on everythng in the complex confusing CA Gun Law -

Here is an address to a posting that sheds light on other varying opinions / interpretations - it just seemed to large to copy and paste.

http://www.paul.net/guns/CaliforniaOpenCarry.pdf