If no ccw license, can we unlock case container and prepared load the gun

[OCRancher]

Originally Posted by zinfull

Sorry about the wrong size. Been dealing with rifles lately. Still if you need protection carry legal. A truck gun is legal.

Jerry

Unloaded.

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by OCRancher

Unloaded.

+1. Know exactly what is considered loaded and unloaded. During transport (and most of the time anyway), your truck/trunk gun must be unloaded.

[hbliam]

Originally Posted by 99sparks

In the truck on the driveway near the house. That is on private property. Does that come into play?

It wasn't his driveway.

[K-dog.v3]

PTL...Why didn't you just drive away?

[TaxMan]

Originally Posted by 99sparks

In the truck on the driveway near the house. That is on private property. Does that come into play?

BTW, as I read it, it was not his driveway, not his house.

[PTLACDTYN]

Hey hey guys, listen I have a book "How to own a gun & stay out of jail.

Look and read the Chapter 2 and page 44 "Basic Exceptions to the Concealed and Load Gun Laws". But next to page 45 "Reasonable Belief of Immediate, Grave Danger" - it says you may carry a load (but not concealed) gun if you reasonably believe: Exception to the Concealed Gun Law: NO...Exception to the Load Gun Law: Yes..........(2) that you must carry a load gun in order to PROTECT YOUR SAFETY or property (that is my mom house where I worked as construction). You may also carry a load gun in order to protect the safety of another person or that's person property........... THAT IS MY GUN THAT IT SAVES MY LIFE from 2 gangsters. I know God protects me and push gangsters away from me. Praise the Lord!!!

Anyways, the next paragraph...I didn't have a chance to call police, because I was fearing and stressing, my mind can't think of it.

On the other hand, the book talks about the "Concealed Gun Law(Section 12025) in page 40......."you may carry unloaded handgun in your car as long as all its parts are in plain view. The practice is not recommended."

I was doing practice unloaded handgun in my car of all the times, but I wish California changes a new law for private and ccw citizens can carry handgun in car with "registration card", not for criminals get a registration card. We, private citizens and ccw citizens want to save our LIFE from injury or death.

I just want to discuss in education of California Law, do not want discuss negatives, please. Thank you!

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by TaxMan

BTW, as I read it, it was not his driveway, not his house.

IT IS my mother's house. I work as construction for my boss (stepfather). GET IT!!

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

Yeah - help me out with this. You were eating your lunch...then you saw some gangsters walking. Then you were eating your lunch....then the gangsters staring. Reminds me of the two knights standing at the doorway of the castle in Monty Python's Holy Grail movie...wasn't one eating?

2 gangsters was not walking, they are in the car and driving on the street.

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis

So you are saying PC 12026.1 doesn't allow me to carry my firearm locked/unloaded in my vehicle for any lawful purpose?

PC 12026.1 and PC 12027 are both exceptions to 12025; not rules of where we can transport an unloaded/locked firearm.

If we were only allowed to keep an unoaded/locked firearm in our car between certain places, then every time we disarm and lock our firearms in the car we are violating the PC. There is no exception for CCW license holders in 12027, except for LEO and retired LEO.

The book says you must have handgun in lock container or padlock. But load with magazine must be separate and the magazines must in the glove box. So you can legally carry unload handgun and separate magazine (load bullets).

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by PTL

IT IS my mother's house. I work as construction for my boss (stepfather). GET IT!!

PTL would have been nice if you mentioned that in the first place. That saves you in regards to the unloaded handgun in a locked case to and from permited locations.

Now loaded handgun in your parents driveway? Not so much. If gang bangers had seen your motions of loading a semi auto handgun and called 911 on you and the police arrived to see your loaded handgun on your lap. You are gonna have some splaining to do!! Regardless of discharge of weapon!

Just trying to keep you safe my friend and out of the pokey!

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by AMS MIKE

Pick up your copy of "How to Own a Gun and Stay Out of Jail" Handbook.

Too much to type here but all the answers are in that book. mostly in Chapter 2

Read carefully the sentence, don't miss the spot of sentence. You can legally carry a handgun that it has unload handgun and lock in the container. Magazines
must separate from handgun and in the glove box.

I found out that magazines must separate from padlock. I have my two pockets of padlock that one handgun in the padlock and other magazines inside pocket from outside of padlock, so I have to separate it in PLAIN VIEW.

[PTLACDTYN]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

PTL would have been nice if you mentioned that in the first place. That saves you in regards to the unloaded handgun in a locked case to and from permited locations.

Now loaded handgun in your parents driveway? Not so much. If gang bangers had seen your motions of loading a semi auto handgun and called 911 on you and the police arrived to see your loaded handgun on your lap. You are gonna have some splaining to do!! Regardless of discharge of weapon!

Just trying to keep you safe my friend and out of the pokey!

The gang bangers don't see me by pulling out my handgun and my handgun on my lap, I was quickly before they drive by (when they turn around at the end of road). Other people don't see it on me. But I am safe and put my handgun away in padlock and magazines in the glove box.

[BonoVox]

The book you mentioned is in IMO the best reference you can find on California gun laws written in a way that the everyday man can understand and it goes a 1000% further than what you would learn from just passing your HSC test.

That being said....... I would not put my freedom on the line following the guidance of any book. Or an Internet expert like me!

[BonoVox]

Originally Posted by PTL

The gang bangers don't see me by pulling out my handgun and my handgun on my lap, I was quickly before they drive by (when they turn around at the end of road). Other people don't see it on me. But I am safe and put my handgun away in padlock and magazines in the glove box.

Ok back to what you could have done. Walk in to house where you could have loaded handgun to your hearts content.

Better yet a shotgun. A rifle. You name it.

Why stay in truck in driveway where you were a sitting duck regardless of your illegally loaded handgun in your lap? If both gang bangers jumped out of their car and used it as cover as they sprayed the cab of your truck. HEck they just ruined your lunch at the very least!!!

[akulahawk]

Originally Posted by PTL

2 gangsters was not walking, they are in the car and driving on the street.

PTL, those guys were likely on a public street. Barring any sort of cruising ordnance, they have every right to be where they were. Get it? What were they actually doing that was illegal? Threatening to you? It certainly sounds like you certainly had a reason to increase your awareness, but I don't see any actual articulable reason to load-up your weapon.

Are you on the deed for that house? If not, it's NOT YOUR PROPERTY. Get it? You were in a publicly accessible area of private property even if you had permission from the homeowner to have your firearm on their property. With some very specific exceptions, loading up your pistol violates PC 12031 in that circumstance. Get it?

Look, I don't necessarily have an issue with HOW you transport that weapon around. It's that you need to be very, very sure you are in imminent danger of attack, not just a fear of being attacked in order for you to legally load your pistol. Reading words from the book is a good thing. Comprehending them is even better.

I apologize if I seem to be discussing some of the issues with you in a negative manner, but in this instance, it is difficult to discuss the issues without sounding like it. There is a lot to this issue that requires a lot of education. I, for one, would like you to learn the law and understand why we say what we say. It would be far better to learn from 'us' than to be arrested and have to learn the hard way.