CCW on UC Irvine

[PHM]

Here is an interesting Link I found on the UC Irvine police website. It lays to rest their policy about CCW with permit. We all know some schools have certain policies about CCW even with a permit and I looks like UC Irvine allows it as long as you have a valid CCW permit.




UCI Police | Ask an Officer

[BonoVox]

Wow interesting. I gave it a look over. We all know you are not breaking the law. However, I still wonder if you are at risk for being expelled? IS this true school policy or is he just stating California PC?

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by PHM

Here is an interesting Link I found on the UC Irvine police website. It lays to rest their policy about CCW with permit. We all know some schools have certain policies about CCW even with a permit and I looks like UC Irvine allows it as long as you have a valid CCW permit.




UCI Police | Ask an Officer

That not only makes it VERY clear that a valid CCW is OK to carry on campus, it restates it for clarification. Sweet! Thanks for posting that.

Now you are still back to the question of the Cal State Universities, but perhaps some more digging, and we can get to their policies also.

Who knew? California, protecting your gun rights through thick and thin!

[sealbeach]

Interesting, CSU also cites the same sections of the CA Penal code, yet does not provide any more clarification--and although they refer to the University Catalog, that document also mentions the CA state law.

CSULB 2007-08 Graduate and Undergraduate Catalog - Campus Information - Security on Campus

Firearms on Campus
Any person who brings or possesses a firearm on the grounds of the University, without the prior written permission of the Chief of University Police, or as otherwise provided by law, is in violation of State law (California Penal Code,Section 626.9), and University Regulations, and is punishable by imprisonment. Any person who brings or possesses a device that expels a metallic projectile, such as a B-B or pellet, through the force of air pressure, CO2 pressure, or spring action, or a spot-marker gun, on the grounds of the University, without the permission of the University Police, is in violation of University Regulations; such action may result in University or legal sanctions.

They also mention that University police are sworn CA LEO, so are they finally realizing that the STATE OWNED AND RUN Universities are obligated to adhere to STATE LAWS? Sure wish we had more expert advice on this issue...

[JandJDude]

I posted that some months before and let me just point out one thing. That posting was made in January of 2006.

Before the Virginia Tech Shooting.

Before the Louisiana Tech Shooting.

Before the Northern Illinois University Shooting.

Since then there might have been a change in University policy since then given the trend of school shootings. I am a student at UC Irvine myself and I will swing by the Police Station today and get a straight answer about this today. I will post it later today.

[rycerz]

I think the key is University Regulation. There is someplace in the course catalog or schedule of classes a list of no no's that get you expelled and weapons of any sort are listed there (from what I recall). This sadly means that while you wont end up in jail for what they see as a transgression against the university, you can still get expelled for it.

University PD will not comment on school policies and regulations as they don't really enforce those: the administration does. They enforce actual city and state laws.

[PHM]

I think it would be hard to expell a student, especially if its on their website. This was an "ask an officer" Q and A, they don't specifically mention it in their regulations; I believe on purpose to not encourage CCW even if legal. If I were a student a UCI with a CCW, I would carry a print out of this to cover myself, afterall its on their own police dept. website.

[PHM]

Originally Posted by rycerz

I think the key is University Regulation. There is someplace in the course catalog or schedule of classes a list of no no's that get you expelled and weapons of any sort are listed there (from what I recall). This sadly means that while you wont end up in jail for what they see as a transgression against the university, you can still get expelled for it.

University PD will not comment on school policies and regulations as they don't really enforce those: the administration does. They enforce actual city and state laws.

Again, I think this is purposefully kept vague to discourage CCW, but here is a direct quote from their PD and their regulations are assuming you don't have a CCW, otherwise they would have to enforce this for all including off duty LEO.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by PHM

I think it would be hard to expell a student, especially if its on their website. This was an "ask an officer" Q and A, they don't specifically mention it in their regulations; I believe on purpose to not encourage CCW even if legal. If I were a student a UCI with a CCW, I would carry a print out of this to cover myself, afterall its on their own police dept. website.

OK, I stand corrected: their policy is different from what I remember from a long time ago. Seems that they only list state law and do not list separate school policy

WEAPONS POLICY
It is a serious violation of the law to possess a firearm on University property.
Section 626.9 of the California Penal Code makes it a felony to bring or to
possess a firearm on the grounds, or within buildings (including private residences)
of the University of California, without the written permission of the
Chancellor or the Chancellor’s designee.
Please report to the UCI Police Department anyone who has stated that they
have a gun on campus or who has made a threat to use a firearm on campus.
You can ask to be anonymous when reporting.

[BonoVox]

Another reason for my daughter to go to UCI! Cool!

Wonder about UCLA?

[PHM]

Originally Posted by BonoVox

Another reason for my daughter to go to UCI! Cool!

Wonder about UCLA?

Or how about UC Berkley?

[PHM]

As far as I can tell, all the schools cite the penal code for restricting weapons, so by that same logic, the same penal code has a specific exemption for CCW holders, so I don't see anyway of interpreting it any other way. But then again Liberals have of way twisting the 2nd amendment to benefit thier point of view.

[sealbeach]

Originally Posted by PHM

As far as I can tell, all the schools cite the penal code for restricting weapons, so by that same logic, the same penal code has a specific exemption for CCW holders, so I don't see anyway of interpreting it any other way. But then again Liberals have of way twisting the 2nd amendment to benefit thier point of view.

I believe you have nailed the issue on the head, so to speak.

The mysterious campus regulations seem to all be citations of the State laws now, the only extra restriction seems to be the paintball/airsoft/bb gun restriction. I wonder if this was discussed in the halls of higher learning by bearded and aged administration types, who somehow realized that adhering to State law might be the safest route to go.

[Spicy McHaggis]

State law exempts people with CCWs from prohibiting them from bringing a firearm on campus, whether private or state run. If you are a student and they have a policy against you bringing firearms on campus, even if you have a valid CCW license, they can still expel you (if they find out). Even if they don't have a policy against it, they will probably still expel you. Probably because you did something that caused them to find out about it.

The public and private universities in CA don't really have to worry too much about creating policies for CCW since so few people actually have them. Even fewer are actually students. If CA was shall issue, then I could see them addressing it..... and also specifically dissallowing it for students/faculty.

[spc]

Well stated Spicy and very clear to understand. That is the way I have always understood CCW on school campuses.

spc