CCW class other than at Evan's?

[X-ffdo]

Originally Posted by Bombard

We welcome information, and opinion, from all sources. We expect - in fact, we demand - transparency. If you are associated with a business that you promote (or are associated with the competitor of a business you denigrate) we expect that you will be up front about who and what you are.

If you are simply a student of FTA, it is appropriate that you comment on your experience there. I took my first CCW class with Bill myself, and it was fine.

But if you are an instructor or an assistant with their classes, it is not appropriate that you comment on them without disclosing that association.

A statement with the quality of diplomacy.
Ethics requires no ulterior motives, or self promotion with lucrative intent. Such activity would go against the spirit of this board.

[huna koa]

Originally Posted by Bombard

We welcome information, and opinion, from all sources. We expect - in fact, we demand - transparency. If you are associated with a business that you promote (or are associated with the competitor of a business you denigrate) we expect that you will be up front about who and what you are.

If you are simply a student of FTA, it is appropriate that you comment on your experience there. I took my first CCW class with Bill myself, and it was fine.

But if you are an instructor or an assistant with their classes, it is not appropriate that you comment on them without disclosing that association.

I am a self-employed independent contractor in the music business; and not affiliated with any company/intructors of firearms classes; I shared my thoughts and good experience regarding FTA because it was just that, a good learning experience, and I will continue to learn until I cease to exist on this earth. I hope everyone here on this forum has that in mind; to learn and better ourselves by sharing our experiences.

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by X-ffdo

A statement with the quality of diplomacy.
Ethics requires no ulterior motives, or self promotion with lucrative intent. Such activity would go against the spirit of this board.

10-4.

I ran this topic by my wife (the teacher in the family) and she helped me with understanding just where there maybe some confusion. I took a NRA Pistol Instructor's class from FTA this September along with some of the other guys from my jail. We have chosen FTA as a prime source of training for our off duty time as paying students. We often bring groups of Deputies out on their own time and dime to train under Bill Murphy as he is an expert in our tactics.

FTA allowed me the oppurtunity to help with range safety in an unpaid and unofficial capacity one Saturday before we came as a group to train the next day. I have nothing to do with the company other than being a motivated student who also is interested in learning what it is like to be on the RSO side of the line. I believe that a member here may have taken that volunteer role and assumed I was a member of the company. It would be easy then to assume that I somehow gain from the promotion of the company, of which I do not. I completely understand the concern of one announcing his/her own lucrative business for self-promotion. However, this is not the case for me. If you read my previous posts one would notice I do not only talk about FTA, but also ITTS, and Frontsight.

I'll state once again that I received no compensation to answer CCWI's concern.

Now, if I am violating a stated policy here, then I am unaware and open to education. I have read the Advertising portion of the site rules numerous times and do not see where this applies to me. I have no vested interest in any of the above companies. I am simply a student who is relating his own personal experiences.

[X-ffdo]

Good!. All the cards are now on the table and we, as far as I can tell since it is all cleared, can resume this good game!!!!!

[huna koa]

Originally Posted by tdogg

10-4.

I ran this topic by my wife (the teacher in the family) and she helped me with understanding just where there maybe some confusion. I took a NRA Pistol Instructor's class from FTA this September along with some of the other guys from my jail. We have chosen FTA as a prime source of training for our off duty time as paying students. We often bring groups of Deputies out on their own time and dime to train under Bill Murphy as he is an expert in our tactics.

FTA allowed me the oppurtunity to help with range safety in an unpaid and unofficial capacity one Saturday before we came as a group to train the next day. I have nothing to do with the company other than being a motivated student who also is interested in learning what it is like to be on the RSO side of the line. I believe that a member here may have taken that volunteer role and assumed I was a member of the company. It would be easy then to assume that I somehow gain from the promotion of the company, of which I do not. I completely understand the concern of one announcing his/her own lucrative business for self-promotion. However, this is not the case for me. If you read my previous posts one would notice I do not only talk about FTA, but also ITTS, and Frontsight.

I'll state once again that I received no compensation to answer CCWI's concern.

Now, if I am violating a stated policy here, then I am unaware and open to education. I have read the Advertising portion of the site rules numerous times and do not see where this applies to me. I have no vested interest in any of the above companies. I am simply a student who is relating his own personal experiences.

...wish I had a significant other similar to yours; do they clone humans yet? oops, I think I went too far, sorry I was just kidding. No more to say, just an excellent post, as I had stated on one of my other posts, we're all here to learn, and it doesn't stop until we're gone forever.

[Glock32]

tdogg, thanks for your detailed clarification of the issue at hand.

[Female Instructor]

Originally Posted by tdogg

10-4.

I ran this topic by my wife (the teacher in the family) and she helped me with understanding just where there maybe some confusion. I took a NRA Pistol Instructor's class from FTA this September along with some of the other guys from my jail. We have chosen FTA as a prime source of training for our off duty time as paying students. We often bring groups of Deputies out on their own time and dime to train under Bill Murphy as he is an expert in our tactics.

FTA allowed me the oppurtunity to help with range safety in an unpaid and unofficial capacity one Saturday before we came as a group to train the next day. I have nothing to do with the company other than being a motivated student who also is interested in learning what it is like to be on the RSO side of the line. I believe that a member here may have taken that volunteer role and assumed I was a member of the company. It would be easy then to assume that I somehow gain from the promotion of the company, of which I do not. I completely understand the concern of one announcing his/her own lucrative business for self-promotion. However, this is not the case for me. If you read my previous posts one would notice I do not only talk about FTA, but also ITTS, and Frontsight.

I'll state once again that I received no compensation to answer CCWI's concern.

Now, if I am violating a stated policy here, then I am unaware and open to education. I have read the Advertising portion of the site rules numerous times and do not see where this applies to me. I have no vested interest in any of the above companies. I am simply a student who is relating his own personal experiences.

tdogg - I need to ask a question to clarify some things. Money and employment application aside, did you not just state that you took a NRA Pistol Instructors class from FTA? Did you also not state on 12/2 on this board that you took a low light instructor course with FTA? Did someone on this board, a student in a FTA low light class not thank you personally for assiting him/teaching him in a class he took at FTA? If everything you state above is true, you are instructing with FTA.

I assist for a guy here on this board. Everyone here knows who I teach for and I am very aware NOT to promote or plug his classes on the board. I don't get paid and still I don't promote his classes nor do some other folks around here.

I recommend that we drop the issue now that you have been warned and that you be very careful about plugging or promoting who you work for (paid or not). Rules are rules.

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by Female Instructor

I recommend that we drop the issue now that you have been warned and that you be very careful about plugging or promoting who you work for (paid or not). Rules are rules.

I have taken "Instructor" level courses from several schools. I am in no way an Instructor though. In my book you can't claim to be an instructor until you have seen the elephant. But then again, I train with defensive purposes in mind, not place shooting. I am a student and will be a student until the day I start charging compensation. One can suggest fixes to other humans how to do things without being a compensated instructor. I take Deputies from our jail to shoot nearly every week at West End Gun Club in the private bays. I charge no compensation or fee for my time. We go as partners and learn as such. I do indeed help them with their techniques... not because I am their instructor, but because I pass along what I have been taught by Instructors at ITTS, Frontsight, and FTA.

I once again will state that I do NOT work for any training company. I will indeed pass along my own opinions and be careful, as I have been, to not trash any member or school. Your post really seems like if someone trains with anyone other than CCWI then they shall not talk about it...

I have indeed been "warned" but yet there is no need. I have not broken a single rule other than to possibly offer an alternative avenue of learning. I pay my money the same as others and would not hesitate to ask CCWI for instruction to hone my skills. Anyone can learn always use to learn something new and I have no bias on who I learn from as long as they are safe.

Now if a moderator tells me my definition is wrong then so be it. I will side with whomever runs this board, whether I like it or not as this board is indeed their private property.

[Female Instructor]

Originally Posted by tdogg

I have taken "Instructor" level courses from several schools. I am in no way an Instructor though. In my book you can't claim to be an instructor until you have seen the elephant. But then again, I train with defensive purposes in mind, not place shooting. I am a student and will be a student until the day I start charging compensation. One can suggest fixes to other humans how to do things without being a compensated instructor. I take Deputies from our jail to shoot nearly every week at West End Gun Club in the private bays. I charge no compensation or fee for my time. We go as partners and learn as such. I do indeed help them with their techniques... not because I am their instructor, but because I pass along what I have been taught by Instructors at ITTS, Frontsight, and FTA.

I once again will state that I do NOT work for any training company. I will indeed pass along my own opinions and be careful, as I have been, to not trash any member or school. Your post really seems like if someone trains with anyone other than CCWI then they shall not talk about it...

I have indeed been "warned" but yet there is no need. I have not broken a single rule other than to possibly offer an alternative avenue of learning. I pay my money the same as others and would not hesitate to ask CCWI for instruction to hone my skills. Anyone can learn always use to learn something new and I have no bias on who I learn from as long as they are safe.

Now if a moderator tells me my definition is wrong then so be it. I will side with whomever runs this board, whether I like it or not as this board is indeed their private property.

A simple yes or no answer would have been nice - it's too bad you feel the need to defend yourself. I did not say who I trained for and you made your assumptions. The instructors I teach with have not just taught for one instructor yet they don't plug any of them.

By the way, if you feel you are not an instructor then you should not be bringing your fellow work mates to the range to help hone their skills. You may find yourself on the wrong end of a lawsuit should something happen since you have taken instructor courses.

I am done with this subject.

[CalCCW03]

Lady and gentlemen. The fact of the matter is that tdogg assisted in running the class (es) for FTA. While he may not be an instructor in an official capacity he has served in a professional role on behalf of FTA. Based on that and site rules it is not acceptable that he promote FTA's classes without disclosing the fact that he had served in a professional (albeit unpaid) capacity. Case closed. No additional discussion of whether tdogg is an instructor or not (by anyone, including tdogg) will be tolerated. The thread will remain open so that classes other than the classes CCWInstructor teaches at Evan's (which are great BTW, I highly recommend them. I can say that because I have never assisted in one of his classes ) can be discussed. This thread will be watched closely by staff.

Carry on.

[NSP]

There is a class in Grass Valley, if that is within your driving range PM me and I'll give you their name and phone mumber.

[rycerz]

Originally Posted by NSP

There is a class in Grass Valley, if that is within your driving range PM me and I'll give you their name and phone mumber.

You can't go to anyone to take the class. OCSD has a list of approved instructors and classes.

[NSP]

Originally Posted by rycerz

You can't go to anyone to take the class. OCSD has a list of approved instructors and classes.

I'm confused by this statement. "You can't go to anyone" ? Please expand.

[AMS MIKE]

Originally Posted by NSP

I'm confused by this statement. "You can't go to anyone" ? Please expand.

he means you can't just take a random CCW class by just anybody for a OCSD CCW class requirement.

You must take the class ONLY from the 3 approved instructors.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by NSP

I'm confused by this statement. "You can't go to anyone" ? Please expand.

You can go to any instructor you like for any training you like.

If you are getting the mandatory training required by an issuing authority for a CCW, you can only use an instructor approved by the issuing authority, taking the class approved by the issuing authority.

My mom teaches piano. You're free to take classes from her, but it's not going to satisfy the Sheriff's CCW training requirement