Got my CCW application today for San Bernardino County

[PHM]

Originally Posted by tdogg

I'm talking about a non-government entity doing training. I can tell you from personal experience that taking classes showed how serious I was about gun safety and reverence for the law. Taking courses from reputable sources may not be the vogue thing... after all, one might ask why spend the money? Don't spend the money and look like the guys who the SBSO Deputies on the same range were rolling their eyes at. It was a sad sight, some of the guys at the class. A group of Deputies were training next to us and took great notice to the shooting skills of many in our CCW class. One Deputy walked by and stated "so this is all that one has to do for a CCW?" He was making a statement about how these guys were going to get CCW's and could hardly reload or shoot properly. This $30 CCW course was the mandated SBSO course offering that was great from a CYA perspective, but not about training. You see, SBSO doesn't give you a permit to shoot a gun, only to carry a gun. Thus they do not train you how to use your gun. It was simply a shoot 10 shots with a reload into a paper target from 5 yards, untimed ordeal... and no one was keeping score.

The money spent on good training will pay back in dividends when it comes to the time we all least want to happen. Scotty Reitz at ITTS says it best... he related that the more firearms training one has, the more one will allow things to get bad before he feels the need to used justifiable deadly force. I can atest that at work I get into fights sooner than my partners who are long term martial art practitioners. They have a demeanor about them that screams Confidence when it comes to hand to hand combat. The same can be said about one who trains often with the firearm.

Train with firearms, learn about the law, and maybe you will never even have to get sued in civil court if god forbid you ever have to use deadly force. I know many guys who have not been sued because they were either lucky or had such control over themselves that they shot at the last possible moment. That doesn't come with just text book knowledge.

A couple hundred dropped on a class here and there is a lot cheaper than a lawyer for the civil suit.

I agree 100%

[tdogg]

Thanks, I tried to edit my post by the way. I really messed up and put God without capitalization. I can't believe I let that slip by me.

[Brian1979]

Trust me I want to take the course but do you think it has any impact on my interview negatively?

I would also rather wait for my new gun and holster to come in to do this instead of using things that arent what I will actually be with the CCW.

If thats a good class to take I would love to go for it and when the time is right I am going to inquire about what the class offers.

Atleast I can shoot quiet well and at 5yrds it would be a laugh to not hit a quarter every shot with my 1911. At 15yrds I can keep most on a post-it but have the high left tendency when I am out of practice. Anything closer is a shame when you see people not hit what they want, perhaps they should just throw the gun for a head shot. LOL

[tdogg]

It will not effect you negatively, atleast I'd hope not. If it did then the county would be issuing based on a class system. Not everyone who might qualify for the right to protect themselves through concealed carry methods has the resources to spend on classes.

[GreatScott]

Hey Whitey....I'll take the class with you. There is no way that extra training could be looked at in a negative way. I was even considering driving out to Orange to take CCWInstuctors course. You should check out his website Self Defense Firearms Training - Be Safe, Be Confident, Get Trained! . Some of his more advanced courses seem really cool(low light training, one handed shooting, rapid fire ect..) AND my interview is a few days before yours so if it turns out to be a negative you'll know beforehand

[Brian1979]

Hey I would love to do that, we can car pool if you want.

You realize we have to take 4 courses to get to the CCW course. We need the basic hand gun to get the intermediate then the intermediate to get to the CCW ect.

I might have to buy a junky holster until that time since my Milt Sparks wont be in for a long time.

[Bombard]

If you're talking about CCWI's courses, the CCW course is stand alone. I took it before I took any of his others.

I agree, though - the CCW course is to satisfy the legal requirement for training for the CCW permit. It doesn't do much more than that. The majority of the course is about the laws involving firearms. Other courses - from CCWI or anyone else - are designed to teach you about shooting.

[Brian1979]

Yeah this is why I guess I will stay with the required course in San Bernardino and then take a tactics or shooting class as that is what I want to learn.

[GreatScott]

We definitly need to take the CCW course through SBSO. I'm pretty sure Orange County contracts out their training to Greg so this is where they send their CCW applicants. I think it would be a negative thing if you attempted to take the actual CCW class somewhere other than where your Sherriff's Office sends you, but as far as general training goes - the more the better. For someone like me, I personally need the training. Others may not.

Rob

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

We definitly need to take the CCW course through SBSO. I'm pretty sure Orange County contracts out their training to Greg so this is where they send their CCW applicants. I think it would be a negative thing if you attempted to take the actual CCW class somewhere other than where your Sherriff's Office sends you, but as far as general training goes - the more the better. For someone like me, I personally need the training. Others may not.

Rob

Correct on both accounts. To take the required CCW class from someone other than one of the instructors approved specifically by your Sheriff's Dept. would be a total waste of time and money. It wouldn't be accepted, and you'd just have to spend the money to take the class over.

However, getting good tactical training from a good trainer is always a wise choice.

[tdogg]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Correct on both accounts. To take the required CCW class from someone other than one of the instructors approved specifically by your Sheriff's Dept. would be a total waste of time and money. It wouldn't be accepted, and you'd just have to spend the money to take the class over.

However, getting good tactical training from a good trainer is always a wise choice.

Wrong on the first point, but right on the second...

FTA is approved by OCSD and I took their CCW class before I took my SBSO class. It did not hurt anything and it was in no way a waste of money. Bill covered things that SBSO did not and SBSO covered things that Bill did not. The added bonus was the offering by FTA to stay over on Saturday to be approved for Florida/Utah permits which I did and am now covered in 30+ states.

This stuff is not an ego contest in any way, atleast not in San Bernardino. You have to take the SBSO course... and $30 was a small fee in the grand scheme of the fees your required to pay with SBSO.

Now Gimper might be right for other counties, but not in SB...

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by tdogg

Wrong on the first point, but right on the second...

FTA is approved by OCSD and I took their CCW class before I took my SBSO class. It did not hurt anything and it was in no way a waste of money. Bill covered things that SBSO did not and SBSO covered things that Bill did not. The added bonus was the offering by FTA to stay over on Saturday to be approved for Florida/Utah permits which I did and am now covered in 30+ states.

This stuff is not an ego contest in any way, atleast not in San Bernardino. You have to take the SBSO course... and $30 was a small fee in the grand scheme of the fees your required to pay with SBSO.

Now Gimper might be right for other counties, but not in SB...

My point was, and you confirmed it, that if you take the CCW course from a non SBSO approved trainer, you'll still have to take the SBSO course. If you want to spend the extra money, to take the course from a non approved (by your county) trainer, and you think it's worth it, that's great. (As a matter of fact I took my training from FTA, so I know that you get good training there.)

But if someone is hoping that they can take the required CCW training from FTA, or Greg Block, or any other trainer who isn't approved by SBSO and that it will be accepted by SBSO, they're going to be disappointed, and they'll just end up having to spend more money. For some, it'll be worth it. For others, they may not want (or be able to afford) the extra cash outlay.

[tdogg]

I guess the part about total waste of time is what got me to respond. I agree with you though, it is not always going to be available to all people. If you can afford it great, but it is not required as you noted. The process could be considered expensive to many as it's over $200 to apply between the two money order they have you give them to cover fees. Then the cost of training, gun, ammunition, etc... it can add up depending on your budget.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by tdogg

I guess the part about total waste of time is what got me to respond. I agree with you though, it is not always going to be available to all people. If you can afford it great, but it is not required as you noted. The process could be considered expensive to many as it's over $200 to apply between the two money order they have you give them to cover fees. Then the cost of training, gun, ammunition, etc... it can add up depending on your budget.

And I'm a big believer in training. Personally, I don't believe the current 16 CCW course is enough. It really only covers the laws and the qualification shooting. I think everyone who wants to CCW should have to get training in the methods/tactics of CCW.

[X-ffdo]

When I did mine with San Berdo. I considered that the class was well presented and the instructor knew his subject to a high degree. It always pays to take training from a qualified instructor before taking the required class.