Guard attacked, open fires on feeling suspect?

[crash5150]

Granted a lot of details are missing but he fired at a suspect running away? I sure hope he 'saw a gun' otherwise could be a messy ending.

Ballsy though, attack an armed guard like that. I'm curious at where his partner was.


Man Attacks Guard, Gets Shot Near South Sac Walmart - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (KCRA) -- A guard carrying a bag of cash while heading back to his armored truck Tuesday was hit with a stun gun by a suspect outside a south Sacramento Walmart, authorities said.

From The Field: Suspect Shot Near South Sac Walmart

When the guard was struck, he fell to the ground and dropped his bags of money. Customers and employees rushed to the aid of the guard. In the process, the attacker ran from the store and through the parking lot.

When the armed guard recovered, he rose to his feet to pursue the suspect. He opened fire on the man and shot him in the leg, the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department said.

Despite being hit, the suspect continued to run and attempted to get inside a getaway car.

Witnesses saw the events unfold in the lot. The driver of the getaway car drove out of the parking lot and charged toward the guard, deputies said.

The getaway car was eventually shot at several times after the guard felt a threat was imminent, authorities said.

The getaway vehicle, a dark Chevy Impala, left the scene and then crashed into another car on Florin Road. Deputies are still looking for the vehicle.

The suspect who was hit in the leg was later found hiding inside a trash bin. He was then taken to a nearby hospital.

The incident started in the 6000 block of Florin Road, near the Walmart.

Read more: Man Attacks Guard, Gets Shot Near South Sac Walmart - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento

[mark]

I notice that quite a few amored guards carry the dinero solo,

seems to me that in that type of scenario, you would want a 3 person crew imo

one in the wagon and two walking the green

[bigrich]

they are leaving out the most important part of the story. what race were the guard and the robber?

[Aurelius]

There are a lot of details missing, like the one about how the BG got the sack of money and ran with it, which inturn justified the chase and the shooting. I am assuming that the money is still missing.

[coq]

What was he suspected of feeling?

[EM2]

Originally Posted by Aurelius

There are a lot of details missing, like the one about how the BG got the sack of money and ran with it, which inturn justified the chase and the shooting. I am assuming that the money is still missing.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT JUST A MINUTE
are you saying it is permissable to shoot someone in defense of......property?
certainly not in California.

[mark]

Originally Posted by coq

What was he suspected of feeling?

like a dumass I supose

[eamxr400]

Originally Posted by EM2

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT JUST A MINUTE
are you saying it is permissable to shoot someone in defense of......property?
certainly not in California.

CA PC 197:

Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.

If the assailant was running off with the cash, could this be used for a shooting defense?

This is not something I would ever do, but I don't work in security or law enforcement and have no desire to.

Eric

[Spicy McHaggis]

Originally Posted by EM2

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT JUST A MINUTE
are you saying it is permissable to shoot someone in defense of......property?
certainly not in California.

In California, especially in Orange County, protecting your property is just about the only reason you will get a license to carry concealed.

[bigrich]

Originally Posted by eamxr400

CA PC 197:



If the assailant was running off with the cash, could this be used for a shooting defense?

This is not something I would ever do, but I don't work in security or law enforcement and have no desire to.

Eric

I don’t know. To shoot a guy in the back while he is running away? I am not saying I agree or disagree but it might be hard to convince a jury on that one.

[Rob P.]

Originally Posted by coq

What was he suspected of feeling?

Gives a whole new meaning to "touchy feely" don't it. It certainly increases the risk of getting in touch with your feelings.

[neuron]

The following section of PC 197 is relevant to cases involving the justifiability of use of deadly force. The section deals specifically with "justifiable homicide" but it arguably applies to less lethal outcomes when force is used:

4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace

I believe that this was used to (successfully) defend some merhants who shot at rioters who were attacking their stores during the Rodney King riots in LA.

I'm not sure what laws apply to armed guards who are attacked while transporting cash. My understanding is that there are somewhat different standards in California regarding the use of force by peace officers versus civilians when it comes to use of force. I may be mistaken, but my understanding is that in California civilians have the right to use lethal force to defend themselves and others from imminent threats of GBI/death. However, that right exists only as long as the threat exists, which in general means that you cannot shoot someone if he has attacked you and is running away, unless you can somehow argue that he was still an active threat to yourself or others. I do understand the laws regarding "citizen's arrest," but the fact is that civilians (as opposed to sworn peace officers) do not have a "duty" to make arrests. There is another difference between civilians and peace officers in california, and that is that peace officers are not considered to have a "duty to retreat" if possible from an attack. Civilians are expected to make all reasonable efforts to retreat (except if they are attacked in their homes (the Castle Doctrine).

Florida (unlike California) has a "Stand Your Ground" statute that allows Floridians to act more like LEOs, but that statute is controversial, due to the Zimmerman/Martin case.

[Quietpi]

Mountains of critical details are missing here. The story stops at the beginning of the chase, which itself was almost certainly justified. Then all of a sudden it says the guard shot the BG in the leg. It says nothing about the distance between the guard and the BG, nor what was going on at the time of the discharge. It leaves us with one image, in our mind, of a guard chasing the BG with some distance between them, and the BG running away. But there is nothing in the story that actually tells us that this mental picture is accurate. Nor does the story say anything about where the wound actually was on the leg.

Never, never accept unequivocally what you read/see in the media.

[NorCalChuck]

As usual trying to make sense of a "NEWS ITEM" will get you confused.
As is the case the story is written to sell newspapers and/or advertising not really to inform. Maybe, just maybe if a full video, with 4 or 5 camera angles supplied one may be able to understand what really transpired.
But from a written article from an organization more intent on selling advertising than actually supplying factual information . . . .
Don't stress yourself out trying to understand it . . . .

[Sky_DiveR]

Both suspects were caught. The one that tazered the guard hobbled away and hid in a taco resteraunt dumpster. Money rececovered. Driver sped away when shooting started and came back toward the guard and was shot at numerous times breaking glass but was not injured. Swiped cars in the parking lot and on Florin rd. Turned into a deadend parking lot of a muffler shop, turned around and swiped a few more cars on Florin rd. Later apprehended by SCSD. Relayed by a witness on the scene.