Can I carry when I am at work?

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by preacherwithapistol

OK, going another direction here... Due to recent circumstances, i may need to go out and get a secular job in addition to my church responsibilities. I am looking into the option of driving for the local public transportation company (Barstow Area Transit). does anyone know if there are any laws prohibiting bus drivers from CCW? I understand the company itself may have a policy against it, but I am wondering about prohibitory laws? I am wondering, if there are no laws against it, I may be able to use this as another avenue to a GC statement, as in this town, the public transit is often most utilized by the more "seedy" residents of the town...any imput on this will be appreciated.

I work with churches and pastors in our area (Kern County).. as long as you are a pastor part time, that is usually good cause to issue the permit. The fact that you have to deal with crazy parishoners who are getting divorces and blaming your counseling, nut-burgers who come into churches demanding money/food/clothes etc, etc, etc... combined with the numbers of people who are now causing problems in churches would be considered good cause around here. I think you will find you really do deal with the seedier element of society... isn't that who Jesus hung out with? and isn't that kinda the mission of pastors? I think if you think about it, your good cause will just flow...

Many pastors have supplemental jobs, a friend of mine here works for the county and pastors in rural areas on weekends, he can afford to interim pastor in small churches that can't financially support him full time... he considers himself to be a pastor who happens to work for the county not the other way around....If you were a client, I would consider not even mentioning the supplemental job... I am guessing you would quit that one as soon as the membership grows and the tithe doth flow....

[Bombard]

I'd bet real money that the bus company would not allow you to carry while driving.

As part of the associate pastor job, do you come into contact with people that might be threatening off the job? For example, is there a youth outreach program that tries to get kids away from gangs, that makes those who remain in the gangs angry at you?

Just thinkin'.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by El Gato

I work with churches and pastors in our area (Kern County).. as long as you are a pastor part time, that is usually good cause to issue the permit. The fact that you have to deal with crazy parishoners who are getting divorces and blaming your counseling, nut-burgers who come into churches demanding money/food/clothes etc, etc, etc... combined with the numbers of people who are now causing problems in churches would be considered good cause around here. I think you will find you really do deal with the seedier element of society... isn't that who Jesus hung out with? and isn't that kinda the mission of pastors? I think if you think about it, your good cause will just flow...

Many pastors have supplemental jobs, a friend of mine here works for the county and pastors in rural areas on weekends, he can afford to interim pastor in small churches that can't financially support him full time... he considers himself to be a pastor who happens to work for the county not the other way around....If you were a client, I would consider not even mentioning the supplemental job... I am guessing you would quit that one as soon as the membership grows and the tithe doth flow....

If he uses the fact that he's a pastor, does he have to have a letter of endorsement from the Senior pastor or leadership of the congregation? He's already discussed it with the Senior pastor and he is opposed to it.

[Bombard]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

If he uses the fact that he's a pastor, does he have to have a letter of endorsement from the Senior pastor or leadership of the congregation? He's already discussed it with the Senior pastor and he is opposed to it.

I'm splitting hares here anyone with sense would ignore me, but I'm thinking it's the difference between working as a pastor, and being a pastor.

If he were applying because he needed it ON the job, it would be up to the senior pastor's decision. But El Gato and I are thinking that his work could expose him to dangerous people that he might then encounter OFF the job.

But until he's run it by a qualified subject matter expert (ie, not me) I wouldn't put any stock in it.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by Bombast

I'm splitting hares here anyone with sense would ignore me, but I'm thinking it's the difference between working as a pastor, and being a pastor.

If he were applying because he needed it ON the job, it would be up to the senior pastor's decision. But El Gato and I are thinking that his work could expose him to dangerous people that he might then encounter OFF the job.

But until he's run it by a qualified subject matter expert (ie, not me) I wouldn't put any stock in it.

OK... I'm not a qualified subject matter expert and I don't play one on TV...However, I have been at this ccw thing for a long time and have taught alot of ccw classes...alotalot... we have many pastors in the area who carry... remember this is Kern County... they are a pastor and are subject to victimization because of their position in the community... not because of who they work for... or maybe it is because of who they work for..God... some people can't abide pastors and pastors travel to seedy neighborhoods to help the needy... they are pastors, if they are ordained, regardless of whether or not they currently have a congregation or work for a ministry... they ARE pastors and they work many places...a pastor is who they are, not where they work... does that make sense? or did I forget to take my medication again?

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by El Gato

OK... I'm not a qualified subject matter expert and I don't play one on TV...However, I have been at this ccw thing for a long time and have taught alot of ccw classes...alotalot... we have many pastors in the area who carry... remember this is Kern County... they are a pastor and are subject to victimization because of their position in the community... not because of who they work for... or maybe it is because of who they work for..God... some people can't abide pastors and pastors travel to seedy neighborhoods to help the needy... they are pastors, if they are ordained, regardless of whether or not they currently have a congregation or work for a ministry... they ARE pastors and they work many places...a pastor is who they are, not where they work... does that make sense? or did I forget to take my medication again?

Makes sense. And since you are in Kern, that's why I asked whether or not he needed an endorsement from his Sr. Pastor. It sounds like maybe he does have a chance afterall.

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by The Gimper

Makes sense. And since you are in Kern, that's why I asked whether or not he needed an endorsement from his Sr. Pastor. It sounds like maybe he does have a chance afterall.

He lives in San Bernadino County right?... are they like Kern/Tulare?

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by El Gato

He lives in San Bernadino County right?... are they like Kern/Tulare?

I know that they are pretty CCW friendly, but I think they might want a letter. I do know of a guy who applied for a CCW with SBSD, and even though he didn't use his employment as the basis for his good cause, as part of the background check they called his employer and told them that he was applying for a CCW. That caused him all sorts of trouble at work.

Since this pastor has already discussed it with his senior pastor, and the senior pastor is opposed to him carrying, I'm afraid he might run into the same sort of problem if he applied, especially on the basis of being a pastor. I'm just thinking out loud. Know what I mean?