Sold a gun on my CCW permit...

[cwp228]

All very interesting....kinda like thumbscrews & tuneups.

What does the subpoena have to do with anything?

That's the only piece of information related to who recover the gun and who I needed to call to try to get my property back at the time.

Why did you wait 6 months?

I thought Anaheim PD is suppose to call me or sent me something in mail for me to pick up the gun, that's why I waited. Unfortunately, they never did.

Didn't you say the guy plead out?

Yeah, I found that out when I call in to check if I need to apper in court for the Subpoena, they told me I don't have to because the guy plead out.

Why wouldn’t you care about getting your gun back ...even if it has 20,000 rounds through it?

Does LAZY answer your question? I have too much things to do at the time and didn't want to bother calling courts and being kicked around. And what was a beat-up P228 worth at that time? $350? I am wiling to take that lost.

Why does it matter with regard to your property... that calling the north county where the subpoena was issued informed you the trial is in the central district...? How is that “kick ball”?

Called North County first, they said that case has being transfer to Central. They don't have the case number. I call Central citing the North counthy case number, then they said that thing does not ring a bell. Call North county again they said they can't help. Call Anaheim PD, they said they can't release the gun unless court clears it since it's still being held as evidence at the time. I have other things to do than to spend hours trying to sort this out.

What does the race of the suspect have to do with the price of tea in china?

Just filing in the detail, and what's the problem with that?

Did u know this suspect? Is that why he said you lent it to him?

I know him much less then I know you. Never meet the guy in my life until Anaheim PD called me and left me a message.

Have you ever sold a gun off the books and then reported it stolen?

Whoa, that's one heavy accusation here. NO and NO, and I DEMAND an apology for even asking this question. Selling off the book? I don't even have a FFL!

Maybe that is why you weren't "so interested" in getting your guns back?

See answers above.

Were you worried about the cops asking you about this?
...so you avoided the whole situation...and figured it was a loss anyway?

I have Fullerton PD file number. My car was broken in, they were trying to steal my stereo (stereo panel was jacked), pop the trunk and find something better. No, I was not worried because I reported them stolen the moment I found out, and I was pissed. Told Anaheim PD the guy was lying, give them the file number and hope that guy burn in hell.

Convinced yourself that one of them was junk anyway...and decided that because it had 20,000 rounds through it...it wasn't such a hard loss?

Yeah, if you want to call it that way.

It's very suspicious that you would not try to get your P228 and Kimber back.

As described above, too much hassle and I might end up needing to spend more money on lawyer to get my P228 back, so I am willing to take a lost. By the way, the Kimber was NEVER recovered.

Ringing some alarm bells

Nope, just you being paranoid.

Please clear this up for the members here.

All situation described and waiting for your apology for even suggesting that I sell gun to criminals.

[cwp228]

Originally Posted by spc

Good respectable questions for such an incredible story. Gosh you should see me when someone borrows but does not return one of my carpentry tools.

spc

I didn't lend those guns to someone, they were stolen. I had to replace my driver side window because of that. Would've spend even more money if I didn't know my car inside-out. I was able to replace the glass myself.

Good respectible questions? More like insult to me.

Originally Posted by sealbeach

A worn out handgun might just need a new barrel, and an almost new Kimber would certainly be worth at least asking the PD about, even if you just sell it afterwards, thats worth several hundred $$ (my cheapest Kimber was almost $800).

Not when frame to slide fit were shot to crap, that's why I like steel frame a lot better these days. Less likely to wear it out. And as I mentioned in previous post, Kimber was never recovered. Anaheim PD only recovered my P228. If they did recover both guns then I would more likely to fight and get them back.

[Justaguy]

Originally Posted by cwp228

If they did recover both guns then I would more likely to fight and get them back.

Just sounds a little odd NOT "to fight and get them back",
even if it's "only for one gun".

But, hey, what do I know. I'm

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by cwp228

That's the only piece of information related to who recover the gun and who I needed to call to try to get my property back at the time.

Huh?

Originally Posted by cwp228

I thought Anaheim PD is suppose to call me or sent me something in mail for me to pick up the gun, that's why I waited. Unfortunately, they never did.

I would have been on the phone calling them. It's your property.

Originally Posted by cwp228

Yeah, I found that out when I call in to check if I need to apper in court for the Subpoena, they told me I don't have to because the guy plead out.

So, you DID have the case number? You were able to get information on the case THAT time...and everything was fine....but when it came time to get your gun back...you couldn't?

The court clerk has nothing to do with your gun.

Originally Posted by cwp228

Does LAZY answer your question? I have too much things to do at the time and didn't want to bother calling courts and being kicked around. And what was a beat-up P228 worth at that time? $350? I am wiling to take that lost.

So...you didn't want your P228 back because it was too hard to make phone calls?

Originally Posted by cwp228

Called North County first, they said that case has being transfer to Central. They don't have the case number. I call Central citing the North counthy case number, then they said that thing does not ring a bell. Call North county again they said they can't help. Call Anaheim PD, they said they can't release the gun unless court clears it since it's still being held as evidence at the time. I have other things to do than to spend hours trying to sort this out.

It's the DA who controls the evidence and the police who hold it. Not the court.

Originally Posted by cwp228

Just filing in the detail, and what's the problem with that?

The problem is that some could feel it's racist. This is a public forum.

Originally Posted by cwp228

I know him much less then I know you. Never meet the guy in my life until Anaheim PD called me and left me a message.

So they contacted you when they recovered the gun...but you were waiting for some kind of second-recovery-notification that never came?

Originally Posted by cwp228

Whoa, that's one heavy accusation here. NO and NO, and I DEMAND an apology for even asking this question. Selling off the book? I don't even have a FFL!

It wasn't an accusation, Charlie. It was a question. Tough question which needed to be asked. I don't apologize for asking questions. If I was out of line, the moderator and site administration would have let me know...and an apology would have been issued.

The scenario is odd enough to spark interest and suspicion, you have to know that.

Originally Posted by cwp228

I have Fullerton PD file number. My car was broken in, they were trying to steal my stereo (stereo panel was jacked), pop the trunk and find something better. No, I was not worried because I reported them stolen the moment I found out, and I was pissed. Told Anaheim PD the guy was lying, give them the file number and hope that guy burn in hell.

Ok...so this all comes down to laziness, lack of motivation to educate yourself on how the legal system works, how the chain of evidence is handled, your rights to your property ....and enough money in your bank account and guns in your safe to not care about one that was stolen....
Did I get it right?

Originally Posted by cwp228

As described above, too much hassle and I might end up needing to spend more money on lawyer to get my P228 back, so I am willing to take a lost. By the way, the Kimber was NEVER recovered.

A lawyer to get your property back? All you have to do is ask the DA to release your property....a 5 minute phone call.

Originally Posted by cwp228

Nope, just you being paranoid.

Paranoia is a fear of something, however the word is misused alot.... We are all....simply interested in why a person wouldn't claim their own P228 from property after it was stolen and find it difficult to understand lazy or dumb as an excuse.

Originally Posted by cwp228

All situation described and waiting for your apology for even suggesting that I sell gun to criminals.

Again...it wasn't a suggestion...it wasn't an accusation...it was a question.

Why are you so defensive? How would anyone know whether you sell to criminals or not? I don't know what people do...the longer I live...the less surprised I am when I hear about what self serving, obnoxious, immoral things people do and how they try to get away with them.

Maybe you are a good hearted inept...law abiding family man.... or the latter. I haven't a clue and won't presume to know. The question, however is not an indication either way.

[cwp228]

Originally Posted by SierraNevadaCCW

Did you know this suspect? Is that why he said you lent it to him?

Have you ever sold a gun off the books and then reported it stolen?

Maybe that is why you weren't "so interested" in getting your guns back?

Were you worried about the cops asking you about this?
...so you avoided the whole situation...and figured it was a loss anyway?

Reason I am defensive, is because your questions are suggesting the reason I didn't try to get my property back is because of back door shady dealing. First one is question, 2nd, 3rd and 4th are not questions, they are suggestions for my action which I take as direct and public insult to my integrity. As you said, this IS a public forum.

No, I don't know how the legal system worked 7 yrs ago, Anaheim PD didn't tell me I need to call the DA, they said the COURT needs to release my gun. With the case transfer court clerks didn't help me much to find out who I should talk to to get my gun released. I was not waiting for a "2nd recovery notice", I was waiting for a "release notice" because I have meet other people where PD notify them it's okay to go down and get their stolen gun back. Yes, I was dumb and the system did not help me clear things up either. I didn't know anyone back at the time to help me or point direction for me, so I would've need advise from lawyer which will cost me $$, very likely more $$ then the gun is worth, that's why I stopped.

You can insist those are just questions and ignore my demand for apology, that just tells me what kind of man you are.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Originally Posted by cwp228

Reason I am defensive, is because your questions are suggesting the reason I didn't try to get my property back is because of back door shady dealing. First one is question, 2nd, 3rd and 4th are not questions, they are suggestions for my action which I take as direct and public insult to my integrity. As you said, this IS a public forum.

No, I don't know how the legal system worked 7 yrs ago, Anaheim PD didn't tell me I need to call the DA, they said the COURT needs to release my gun. With the case transfer court clerks didn't help me much to find out who I should talk to to get my gun released. I was not waiting for a "2nd recovery notice", I was waiting for a "release notice" because I have meet other people where PD notify them it's okay to go down and get their stolen gun back. Yes, I was dumb and the system did not help me clear things up either. I didn't know anyone back at the time to help me or point direction for me, so I would've need advise from lawyer which will cost me $$, very likely more $$ then the gun is worth, that's why I stopped.

You can insist those are just questions and ignore my demand for apology, that just tells me what kind of man you are.

Charlie...when the police caught the suspect, was the gun loaded?

[cwp228]

No, that detail was not furnished to me.

[SierraNevadaCCW]

Was it loaded when it was stolen?

[cwp228]

My entire shooting bag was being taken from my trunk. As far as I can remember, other then the P228 and Kimber, there was about 3 mags for each gun, ammo and some other accessories (holster, mag pouch, etc).

It was in it's legal transport configuration at the time, so the gun was unloaded and locked in the side pocket of the shoot bag. However, with all the stuff in the shooting bag, suspect could easily load the gun once they get them out of the bag, either by cutting the bag open or take the bolt cutter to the little lock.

And what's the point?

[SierraNevadaCCW]

We appreciate your cooperation and thank you.

[CalCCW03]

At this point it seems like a good time to put this thread to bed. If there are further questions regarding this situation the staff would ask that it be taken to PM. Thank you to all.