Excemptions for Armed Security Officer? - Page 2

**akulahawk** · #16 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by point45

There is a PC832 training exemption in the pull down menu. I thought that was it. Ive never used it just seen it in the menu.

I've never had a BFSC or the newer HSC... I used the PC832... surprised the heck out of the gunshop employee as he was like you: he'd seen it on the list...

hygyliac · #17 (**permalink**) 10-22-2007, 04:42 PM

Okay guys, my friend still waiting for his cards did some research on his own. Stockade said that the armed guard card was an exemption but did not say which number it was. I emailed him the AG's list of exemptions and he said that the person who answered the phone at the DOJ said that his guard card was an exemption. He is under the belief that . . . X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers, is his exemption.

**CCWInstructor** · #18 (**permalink**) 10-22-2007, 07:57 PM

X91 is for POST (Peace Officer Standards and Training) people, not BSIS folks, guards have NO police powers They do public arrest, just like the public. But what do I know. I'm a lisc. instructor for POST and BSIS. I just love DOJ's answers on the phone. As a dealer I would do that only if I had it in writing from them.

Frequently Asked Questions - Handgun Safety Certificate Program - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?

X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member

cksh8me · #19 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 02:56 AM

I did a ppt today and got the x91 exemption using my BSIS gun and guard card. Weather they did it correctly I'll let you folks hash it out.

It also eliminates having to do the safe handling junk.

**SierraNevadaCCW** · #20 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cksh8me

I did a ppt today and got the x91 exemption using my BSIS gun and guard card. Weather they did it correctly I'll let you folks hash it out.

It also eliminates having to do the safe handling junk.

Well then they made a mistake...because the Consumer Affairs BSIS gun card and guard card are not on the list...and is not P.O.S.T. certified firearms under PC 832.

**IAmASensFan** · #21 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hygyliac

Thanks guys for clearing this up. Talked to him about the "HSC" card

Believe it or not, they did not even touch upon that aspect when he took his training for exposed firearm in Los Angeles!!

He has just side-stepped a potentially embarassing situation with the help of this Forum.

He should have bought the gun first. he could have saved on livescans by doing his exposed carry permit and BSIS Guard Card at the same time. They don't register the gun, they only qualify you on the caliber, but it's a perfect excuse to get a shiny new pistol

Also, I'm sure you know, but as a guard with an exposed firearm, he still cannot Carry Concealed without a CCW

hygyliac · #22 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmASensFan

He should have bought the gun first. he could have saved on livescans by doing his exposed carry permit and BSIS Guard Card at the same time. They don't register the gun, they only qualify you on the caliber, but it's a perfect excuse to get a shiny new pistol

Also, I'm sure you know, but as a guard with an exposed firearm, he still cannot Carry Concealed without a CCW

Him becoming armed security was news to me! In the span of two weeks he took all the training with a company in Los Angeles. Then he asked me about buying a pistol. The rest is on the thread. Phoning DOJ was a good idea on his end, and I can understand why he resisted the information that I passed on to him. After all, who would you believe . . . your telephone conversation with the DOJ or your friend that didn't even know to call it an HSC card1?!

Reminds me of CCWI's story about the class he attended in San Diego that was given by the DOJ agents.

Absolutely he knows that his exposed carry permit does not give him the ability to carry concealed. They atleast touched upon this in his armed guard class.

**IAmASensFan** · #23 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hygyliac

Absolutely he knows that his exposed carry permit does not give him the ability to carry concealed. They at least touched upon this in his armed guard class.

I'm sure they touched on that with mine, too, but I couldn't understand a dang word Kathy was saying...

cksh8me · #24 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 07:44 PM

I don't agree with buying a hand gun before getting a job. If the company you work for wants you to carry a 9mm and you buy a .40 or they only let their guys carry a revolver and you buy a semi you are out of luck and have to wait the 10 days again and have a gun you won't get to use much along with buying the wrong gear.

cwp228 · #25 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 08:28 PM

I disagree. X91 is not only limited to POST training. Link below:

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/hscman.pdf

See end of page 8 and continue to page 9. Quote:

Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
Exemption Code X91; Authorizing PC Section 12807(a)(11)

The following persons who have completed a P.O.S.T approved regular course in firearms training:

1. Patrol special police officers appointed by the police commission of any city or county.
2. Animal control officers or zookeepers
3. Harbor police officers

and...

The following persons who have a certificate issued by the Department of Consumer Affairs persuant to section 12033 PC:

4. Guards of messengers of common carriers, banks and other financial institutions.
5. Guards of contact carriers operating armored vehicles
6. Private investigators and private patrol operators licensed persuants to Chapter 11.5 of Division 3 of the Business and Professional Code
7. Uniformed security guards or night watch persons

For people who have completed POST training, they can just use X81 and don't have to bother with X91.

cwp228 · #26 (**permalink**) 10-23-2007, 08:55 PM

left one out of the list...

Alarm company operators licensed persuant to Chapter 11.6 of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code

**CCWInstructor** · #27 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 12:00 AM

Why all the special breakdowns. How can you tell who they are when the come in with their BSIS info. This leads to a lot of questions about their job. And what happens if they aren't working. How do they provide proof. What happens when DOJ inspects your books? Is this a uniform guard or not?

No thanks, I'll pass on that reason for a exemption. It's not worth the documentation needed for me. The paper work violations they write you for are incredible.

cwp228 · #28 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 01:18 AM

Whatever. I am just citing exact wording from the HSC handbook. Exemption is there and they are perfectly legit, what you want to do with it is your own business (no pun intended).