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Old 10-25-2009, 11:41 PM
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Default CrimsonTrace legal on CCW firearm in ALAMEDA County?

Specifically in Alameda County, are laser sights such as Crimson Trace allowable?
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Old 10-26-2009, 12:51 PM
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Specifically in Alameda County, are laser sights such as Crimson Trace allowable?
Having a laser sight is not illegal. Pointing a laser beam at a person can be a crime if not done in self-defense. Shining a laser at an aircraft is definitely a crime.
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Old 10-26-2009, 01:10 PM
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Some Sheriff's Offices don't allow you to put them on your CCW weapon. You should check with the Sheriff's Office in Alameda to confirm their policy.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:23 PM
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Are there any CCW's from Alameda County that could chime in with the answer to this question?
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:39 PM
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Are there any CCW's from Alameda County that could chime in with the answer to this question?
As of 2007 the DOJ statistics show there were only 135 CCWs issued in Alameda County. It's not a real friendly place for regular folks to obtain CCWs. Most likely the people who have them are not CCW activists like most of us who hang out here.

Call the Sheriff's office and ask if they allow lasers on the guns their CCW holders carry.
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Old 10-26-2009, 10:02 PM
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I hold a CCW issued by Alameda County.

As far as I know, there is nothing that prohibits a laser sight on a CCW weapon in Alameda County.

And it just so happens I have a Crimson Trace laser sight on the 1911 that is on my permit. And it is, of course, the weapon I have shot to qualify with for the last four or five years. Each year at the range qualification at the Santa Rita Sheriff's range, the CCW instructor, Deputy R_______, has handled my gun to check the serial number. And he usually comments about the Crimson Trace. So he knows it's on there. He has never said anything about it being not allowed on CCW weapons.

So while I can't cite any Penal Code Sections or Case Law, I'm pretty sure it's ok to have a laser sight for CCW in Alameda County!
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:09 PM
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Thank you CraneBoy!!! That is the answer and info I was looking for - thank you for sharing your knowledge and insight.
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:22 PM
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As of 2007 the DOJ statistics show there were only 135 CCWs issued in Alameda County. It's not a real friendly place for regular folks to obtain CCWs...
I was gonna be a wise-a$$ and say something like "As of 2007, Crimson Trace laser sites are legal in Alameda County on both issued CCWs."
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:37 PM
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Generally speaking it's a good idea to qualify with the pistol as you intend to carry it, and not make any modifications after qual. This way it's hard(er) for the issuing agency to object after the fact.
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:01 PM
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I agree with you in principle, LD.

Speaking only about Alameda County, at the annual qualification the Officer only verifies serial numbers and doesn't do any inspection for modification nor does he make any written record of his inspection beyond verifying the serial number. So if you were involved in a shooting and your gun was determined to be modified, there would be no way for the issuing agency to prove if you had modified your gun before or after your qualification.

I suppose that if you had had a gunsmith do the mod(s), your dated receipt would be proof, but the above would be true for any owner performed work.

I think the focus would be much more on the facts and circumstances of the shooting rather than the gun.
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Old 10-27-2009, 10:27 PM
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Crimson trace, if i was in a jury in a debatable shooting, and i hear you have a Crimson Trace, and the DA is trying to use that against toy, i know that gun has a small chance to hit innocent bystanders.. and the shooter has a little knowledge. Everybody should have one. It's fine!
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:01 PM
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Be careful when using the term "legal". There is a big difference between what is "legal" and what is "policy". It is 100% legal to have these on any firearm you can own in this state. However, it might be against their policy or it might not. Sorry, I can't answer the question; just had to clarify the two terms.
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:33 PM
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So if you were involved in a shooting and your gun was determined to be modified, there would be no way for the issuing agency to prove if you had modified your gun before or after your qualification.
Nope, but the burden is on you to provide that proof. As you mention keeping dated receipts is one way to accomplish that.

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I think the focus would be much more on the facts and circumstances of the shooting rather than the gun.
Unfortunately untrue. The prosecuting attorney is going to use any means they can to make you look guilty. That's their job.

There's a famous case where a guy legally carries a 10mm pistol while hiking for protection against animals. He uses it to defend himself against a justifiable threat. The jury finds him guilty in part because of this: "The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection." One juror also says, "The whole hollow point thing bothered me. That bullet is designed to do as much damage as absolutely possible. It’s designed to kill. "
Trail of evidence - Trail of Evidence- msnbc.com

We know both statements are a bunch of crock. But they were used to sell a murder conviction and 10 year sentence w/o possibility of parole.
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Old 10-28-2009, 08:38 PM
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Nope, but the burden is on you to provide that proof. As you mention keeping dated receipts is one way to accomplish that..
Since when? Um... innocent until proven guilty means nothing anymore?
Yes I understand this may or may not be the case anymore but it is supposed to be this way. Look out if I am on the jury because I play by the way it is supposed to be.


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Unfortunately untrue. The prosecuting attorney is going to use any means they can to make you look guilty. That's their job.
No it is not.
Their job is to get at the truth and put away the real bad guys not the good guys they can pin something on. This aspect of the law as it is practiced these days is why the legal profession is viewed poorly. (yes I reconsidered what I wanted to say.)


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There's a famous case where a guy legally carries a 10mm pistol while hiking for protection against animals. He uses it to defend himself against a justifiable threat. The jury finds him guilty in part because of this: "The firearms investigator said that Fish’s gun — a 10mm — is more powerful than what police officers use and is not typically used for personal protection." One juror also says, "The whole hollow point thing bothered me. That bullet is designed to do as much damage as absolutely possible. It’s designed to kill. "
Trail of evidence - Trail of Evidence- msnbc.com

We know both statements are a bunch of crock. But they were used to sell a murder conviction and 10 year sentence w/o possibility of parole.
If this is true then this guy had a VERY incompetent lawyer.
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If this is true then this guy had a VERY incompetent lawyer.
Apparently didn't even bother to click the reference link I provided in order to find out, much less do any research of your own.
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