Retired LASO Deputy carrying concealed shoots and kills purse snatcher in La Habra...

[FireArms101]

Originally Posted by FireArms101

"second call came in from a man who told dispatchers he was pursuing a gray Honda occupied by the people he thought were the purse thieves..."

I think the retired Deputy did the right thing and commend him for his service and bravery even in retirement.

This is how I picture this whole incident going down. I think the officer was tailing the suspect from a safe distance in order to observe and report to dispatch. The suspect most likely noticed that he was being followed and turned the vehicle around in order to brandish a toy gun in the hopes of intimidating the deputy. But much to the dumb criminals surprise the last thing this scumbag saw was the real McCoy.

My prayers go out to the retired Deputy and his family, this must be a terribly hard ordeal to have to go through.

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by FireArms101

I think the retired Deputy did the right thing and commend him for his service and bravery even in retirement.

This is how I picture this whole incident going down. I think the officer was tailing the suspect from a safe distance in order to observe and report to dispatch. The suspect most likely noticed that he was being followed and turned the vehicle around in order brandish a toy gun in the hopes of intimidating the deputy. But much to the dumb criminals surprise the last thing this scumbag saw was the real McCoy.

My prayers go out to the retired Deputy and his family, this must be a terribly hard ordeal to have to go through.

+1
Especially the wife who witnessed the whole thing.

[FireArms101]

Originally Posted by OIS

Was the ex-sheriff authorized to carry?

The use of a firearm in or near an apartment complex is very dicey. (how many shots fired? What caliber? What load?)

Sounds a little like Mighty Mouse to me: "Here I come to save the day!"

However, it is prudent to reserve judgement until all the facts are known.

Hmmm. a life taken in order to retrieve a purse....let me think about that.

I'm pretty sure the retired Deputy was authorized to carry as most retirees are. I also believe that most active shooting situations are going to be "dicey"(difficult or dangerous; risky; tricky). Questions like "how many shots were fired, what caliber, what load"... don't provide or give justification. I'm offended that you feel the deputy was "like Mighty Mouse to me: "Here I come to save the day!" We know nothing about how the victim was confronted. Was she someones grandmother, wife, mother, daughter or sister? Did the scumbag also use his toy gun in order to cause fear to the victim in order to steal the purse? This deputy did the right thing, he not only saved the taxpayers money but thankfully has taken one less criminal off the street who would most likely continue committing crimes until he was either caught or killed. I could only imagine what other crimes this dirt bag has on his rap sheet.
Take it from me you don't begin your criminal career or end it purse snatching. It's a crime you work up to, it takes a real scumbag practice in order confront his female victim and create fear not only during the crime but long after, perhaps affecting his victims for years or even a lifetime. My prayers go out to the real victims the retired deputy, the victim of the purse snatching and both their families.

[X-ffdo]

Well, I learned in my trade not to be too critical of a situation that I was not present at. The press does not know what they are talking about a great deal of the time. Yeah, shooting at the building.....
I am glad that for once the good guy won!....for now!

[RomanDad]

Originally Posted by FireArms101

A suspected purse snatcher pulled a fake gun

Paging Mr. Darwin.

[1923mack]

Paging Darwin indeed. If no gun had been presented all the retired officer could do was follow or try a citizens arrest. Once he pointed the gun, upps! Murder for a purse theft is a heavy penalty, no matter how well deserved.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by 1923mack

Paging Darwin indeed. If no gun had been presented all the retired officer could do was follow or try a citizens arrest. Once he pointed the gun, upps! Murder for a purse theft is a heavy penalty, no matter how well deserved.

Murder?
There's a huge difference between murder and justifiable homicide in case you didn't know.

The one who will be facing murder charges is the female accomplice not the retired deputy.

[Eirerogue]

Gee, a lot of conjecture here. Good shoot/bad shoot discussions without any facts, 'imagery' of a potential fake gun, etc.

We have no facts on the shooting. We have a retired LEO (who is almost certainly carrying under LEOSA) chasing an alleged purse snatcher and shots fired (allegedly by the ret LEO) near an apartment complex.

I'm glad he's safe as everyone starts the instant replay game.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by OIS

Was the ex-sheriff authorized to carry?

The use of a firearm in or near an apartment complex is very dicey. (how many shots fired? What caliber? What load?)

Sounds a little like Mighty Mouse to me: "Here I come to save the day!"

However, it is prudent to reserve judgement until all the facts are known.

Hmmm. a life taken in order to retrieve a purse....let me think about that.

Isn't it fun to Monday-morning quarterback?

I'm not going to say what I want to say.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by G36 Steve

Isn't it fun to Monday-morning quarterback?

I'm not going to say what I want to say.

Fine, I will say it.

Looks real good for your reputation around here when you already "try and convict" someone for something you know NOTHING about.

Wait, I know. "The news reports 'say'." Please.

As someone who actually HAS been "Monday Morning Quarterbacked" by members of the public (including speculators such as yourselves OIS and 1923mack), I can say that I would not be surprised if it's eventually proven that your conclusions are based on speculatory, prejudicial, and inaccurate information.

But it's easy to lob bombs from behind a keyboard when you've never been there and/or never will be there.

Look up the legal phrase, "tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving." See what you find.

Originally Posted by OIS

However, it is prudent to reserve judgement until all the facts are known.

Oops! Your "Mighty Mouse" comment betrays your true thoughts doesn't it? Damn, I hate when that happens.

Originally Posted by OIS

Hmmm. a life taken in order to retrieve a purse....let me think about that.

Oh please, a conceptual leap of epic proportions like the whole "murder" concept postulated by 1923mack.

Would it somehow be a "better" result if the deputy involved had been in full uniform and on duty?

......and I can't help but notice the irony of your screen name.

[Jonnyboy182x2]

Well I'm glad that the good guy won.

It seems from what I've read that the guy pulled out a gun to scare the person and ended up getting shot, I wonder if this gun was pulled out when the deputy approached him or when the guy noticed he was being tailed. I think that makes all the difference.

I think the whole "murder" thought is fair, IF the good guy approached the criminal and attempted to arrest him. If the good guy was just being a good witness then he was in fear for his life and just protecting his family.

Personally I would attempt to do everything I could to avoid putting myself or my family in that kind of situation. If the deputy did that-then he has my thanks for taking a crazy person off the street.

[45 ACP]

Originally Posted by Jonnyboy182x2

It seems from what I've read that the guy pulled out a gun to scare the person and ended up getting shot, I wonder if this gun was pulled out when the deputy approached him or when the guy noticed he was being tailed. I think that makes all the difference.

(emphasis added for clarity)

I'm interested in your logic here.

Originally Posted by Jonnyboy182x2

I think the whole "murder" thought is fair, IF the good guy approached the criminal and attempted to arrest him. If the good guy was just being a good witness then he was in fear for his life and just protecting his family.

And I'm REALLY interested in your logic here.

[G36 Steve]

Originally Posted by Jonnyboy182x2

Personally I would attempt to do everything I could to avoid putting myself or my family in that kind of situation.

Good. Baaaaaaaa! Sheepdogs can handle these situations without any help from the sheep.

It would sure be nice not to hear more cop bashing based on pure speculation and news reports for a change especially on a CCW Forum. I don't think anyone wants this site to evolve into an us versus them forum like so many gun boards have but that's where I see this tread heading.

Think. Get the facts. Then express opinions. /off

[Jonnyboy182x2]

Originally Posted by 45 ACP

(emphasis added for clarity)

I'm interested in your logic here.



And I'm REALLY interested in your logic here.

Let me rephrase, I don't think the deputy went in to hurt anyone, my point was people thinking of it as murder can think that way because of the way the situation went down. The deputy put himself into a situation where he was trying to do the right thing. Unfortunately someone died. Fortunately it was not someone who was doing the right thing. The issue is, he put himself there-and if that escalated the situation to a point where someone not dying was not an option-then there are questions.

I find it very funny how upset people get-I never said the retired deputy did anything wrong, I was wondering out loud about how the situation went down. You think because I don't automatically say "this guy was a deputy so he must be right" that I'm an enemy. Far from it, most of my family are LEOS in NYC. They've had to deal with people questioning everything they've done and every time they've come out on top. I stand behind law enforcement. At the same time my cousin was beaten by cops because he said the wrong thing-and they didn't know his cousin was their captain-there are bad apples everywhere.

Do not insult me because I would not put my family in a situation where they can get hurt-please. if you read what I said right after that was just as telling-I said if he was just being a good witness then he deserves my thanks.

I also find it funny that my point was ignored-if he was following and getting information for LE to arrest the guy-I may have done that. If he got out of his car and attempted to arrest the guy himself-that is the situation I would not put my family into. God forbid he had a real gun-or that his GF had one and used it on the Retired LEO and his family.

[PHM]

Civilian, Cop or retired Cop, everyone has the legal right to effect an arrest for a crime, especially an in progress felony commited in your presense, and the retired officer(civilian) had every right to pursue the criminal and use any means necessary to effect the arrest and even use deadly force if his life at some point was in danger or the life of some other person.

I give complete benefit of the doubt to the retired officer that he feared for his life and did the right thing at that time.


Here is a great quote by the Late Paul Harvey:

What Are Policemen Made Of? By Paul Harvey


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Don't credit me with the mongrel prose: it has many parents-at least 420,000 of them: Policemen.

A Policeman is a composite of what all men are, mingling of a saint and sinner, dust and deity.

Gulled statistics wave the fan over the stinkers, underscore instances of dishonesty and brutality because they are "new". What they really mean is that they are exceptional, unusual, not commonplace.

Buried under the frost is the fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!

What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "sir" to his face and "fuzz" to his back

He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he won.

But...If the policeman is neat, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a bum. If he's pleasant, he's flirting;if not, he's a grouch.

He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding, tie splints and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued.

The police officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit where it doesn't hurt.He must be able to whip two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully.

A policeman must know everything-and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake.

A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.

But...If he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a dunce. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a dullard. The policeman must chase a bum lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen-but refused to remember.

The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.