YOLO / Yuba County CCW questions / good cause

[spc]

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

What percentage of the applications are denied?

The 90 day CCW for having a business in a county other than your primary residence is a rarity that is almost never applied for or issued. I am unaware of any stats. regarding this type of issue.

spc

[MrClamperSir]

Originally Posted by spc

The 90 day CCW for having a business in a county other than your primary residence is a rarity that is almost never applied for or issued. I am unaware of any stats. regarding this type of issue.

spc

As am I. I'm not the one stating (and perhaps discouraging people from applying) that they never issue them.

[RECON]

I think I would try to find another GC, since you don't need a ccw to carry on your own property or temporary place of residence, and it seems that. That is what your want if for your own property. Don't think it will fly but what do I know.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

As am I. I'm not the one stating (and perhaps discouraging people from applying) that they never issue them.

First of all, I didn't say that they never issue them. That's an absolute statement. I said that they practically never issue them. That's a relative statement. No, I don't have any stats on the percentage of applications for the kind of temporary permits based county of employment that are rejected. However, please see this thread:

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/new-mem...-question.html

And in particular, this post:

Originally Posted by CCWInstructor

I have never found a department that has ever issued one.

Second, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from applying. But as others have pointed out, he want's to carry in a county other than the one in which he works. So, applying for one based on his county of employment won't do him any good since, as you pointed out (are you trying to discourage him from applying?) they're only good for 90 days, and only valid in the county where they're issued (unlike a permit issued in your county of residence which is valid throughout the state). I was merely pointing out, in addition to all that, that permits issued on the basis of your county of employment are rarely, if ever, issued anyway. It's therefore better to apply in your county of residence.

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

Also to the OP, you can CCW on your own property and or business with no paper.

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

Is this a fact you're familiar with in this particular county?



Answer anything that is asked of you and answer it honestly. You don't need to volunteer anything, this isn't a confessional.



And you know this from experience? That seems like a very wild assumption considering none of us know how any one county's authority will respond to an application.

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

What percentage of the applications are denied?

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

As am I. I'm not the one stating (and perhaps discouraging people from applying) that they never issue them.

Dude, I'm trying to figure out your motivation here. Did you start an account on here just to push peoples buttons? First, you took offense at my sarcasm smilies, then you start on this thread challenging everything that anyone says. What gives? Are you just trying to be provocative or are you REALLY that thin-skinned?

We are trying to be pragmatic. Why waste the time and money with an attempt at a 90-day permit when it is a dead end? Your point about private property and business carry is very astute and is probably the best advice for the OP. The OP can carry openly or concealed at his business and his parent's ranch/farm. On that I can give you a +1. The rest of your pontifications are not helpful to the OP.

In the words of the immortal Rodney King....



Can't we all just.....get along?

[okimreloaded]

to the dude pushing people's buttons - I appreciate people in the world like you, because you're challenging much of what's said and I think it's a good thing. I don't think you're trying to be thin skinned - just trying to get the facts. i can appreciate that.

I mean if I have to show good cause to carry in yolo county then I have no more good cause than anyone else. I haven't been robbed, I haven't been beaten, my wife has not been raped - but whose to say those things wouldn't or couldn't happen. hence the need to carry.

So what's a guy to do?

my question is basically - if I plan to move to Yuba - then is it better to wait until I move to apply or should I apply now and risk the denial? Just how bad is a denial?

[okimreloaded]

I've decided to simply write a letter to the chief of police in west sac and to the yolo county sheriff asking for more information on their policies and procedures for approving such a permit.

How does one properly address a sheriff or a chief of police? His name is Dan Drummond, can I just address it to Officer Drummond or should I refer to him as Chief Drummond??

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by okimreloaded

my question is basically - if I plan to move to Yuba - then is it better to wait until I move to apply or should I apply now and risk the denial? Just how bad is a denial?

If you're planning to move, I suggest you wait, but check with the Yuba County Sheriff to see how long they require that you be a resident of the county before you can apply.

Originally Posted by okimreloaded

I've decided to simply write a letter to the chief of police in west sac and to the yolo county sheriff asking for more information on their policies and procedures for approving such a permit.

How does one properly address a sheriff or a chief of police? His name is Dan Drummond, can I just address it to Officer Drummond or should I refer to him as Chief Drummond??

You address the Sheriff as Sheriff xxx, and the Chief of Police as Chief xxx.

[MrClamperSir]

Originally Posted by Keith92555

Dude, I'm trying to figure out your motivation here. Did you start an account on here just to push peoples buttons? First, you took offense at my sarcasm smilies, then you start on this thread challenging everything that anyone says. What gives? Are you just trying to be provocative or are you REALLY that thin-skinned?

I have no motivation other than discussing my interests with other firearm and legal enthusiasts. I'm not thinned skinned at all. If you post something that is not factual should I say nothing? You said it, I'm just asking for clarity or a reference to it.

Originally Posted by Keith92555

We are trying to be pragmatic. Why waste the time and money with an attempt at a 90-day permit when it is a dead end? Your point about private property and business carry is very astute and is probably the best advice for the OP. The OP can carry openly or concealed at his business and his parent's ranch/farm. On that I can give you a +1.

You don't know it's a dead end and that's my point. I asked before and I'll ask again, where do you get your info from and can I get a link to it? What are the percentages and where is this data stored?

Originally Posted by Keith92555

The rest of your pontifications are not helpful to the OP.

I'm providing him with an option, an obvious lesser, but nevertheless an option. And who are you to decide what is best for the OP? He asked a question I answered it stating facts. He can now look into it and make some informed decisions. What's the problem, am I wrong or not welcomed on your site??

Originally Posted by Keith92555

Can't we all just.....get along?

I have no problem here other than being told that my post are not helpful when they are clarifying points that relate to the OP's situation.

[MrClamperSir]

Originally Posted by okimreloaded

my question is basically - if I plan to move to Yuba - then is it better to wait until I move to apply or should I apply now and risk the denial? Just how bad is a denial?

I don't know Yolo county at all. If it's what you say it is, and if you're planning to move, I'd wait because Yuba is friendly. I have taken a few courses in that county and from what the CCW instructor says it's great. No sense in going through a possible denial, sense we don't know what that could mean for the future.

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

I have no motivation other than discussing my interests with other firearm and legal enthusiasts. I'm not thinned skinned at all. If you post something that is not factual should I say nothing? You said it, I'm just asking for clarity or a reference to it.



You don't know it's a dead end and that's my point. I asked before and I'll ask again, where do you get your info from and can I get a link to it? What are the percentages and where is this data stored?




I'm providing him with an option, an obvious lesser, but nevertheless an option. And who are you to decide what is best for the OP? He asked a question I answered it stating facts. He can now look into it and make some informed decisions. What's the problem, am I wrong or not welcomed on your site??




I have no problem here other than being told that my post are not helpful when they are clarifying points that relate to the OP's situation.

This is going nowhere.

[MrClamperSir]

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

First of all, I didn't say that they never issue them. That's an absolute statement. I said that they practically never issue them. That's a relative statement. No, I don't have any stats on the percentage of applications for the kind of temporary permits based county of employment that are rejected. However, please see this thread:

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/new-mem...-question.html

And in particular, this post:

So it's said in another thread aswell and that's good enough to keep the FUD going. I'm not saying they issue them all the time or never (practically never) I'm just saying I hear a lot that this and that, will and won't happen. How do we know? How are we supposed to find out? I don't know but regurgitating the same none factual myths, over and over, just keeps it alive and may in fact not be true.

Originally Posted by THE Gimper

Second, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from applying. But as others have pointed out, he want's to carry in a county other than the one in which he works. So, applying for one based on his county of employment won't do him any good since, as you pointed out (are you trying to discourage him from applying?) they're only good for 90 days, and only valid in the county where they're issued (unlike a permit issued in your county of residence which is valid throughout the state). I was merely pointing out, in addition to all that, that permits issued on the basis of your county of employment are rarely, if ever, issued anyway. It's therefore better to apply in your county of residence.

I never read in his post he wanted to carry anywhere other than the county in which he works. He stated concern for the roads to and from and neighbors. Thus making my post about 90 day permit credible and IMO helpful.

[MrClamperSir]

Originally Posted by Keith92555

This is going nowhere.

Really? I thought we were clearing the air and discussing some, perhaps, misunderstandings.
Cute smilies again.

[THE Gimper]

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

So it's said in another thread aswell and that's good enough to keep the FUD going. I'm not saying they issue them all the time or never (practically never) I'm just saying I hear a lot that this and that, will and won't happen. How do we know? How are we supposed to find out? I don't know but regurgitating the same none factual myths, over and over, just keeps it alive and may in fact not be true.

CCWInstructor does POST training for the Sheriffs' Offices in the majority of the counties in this state. He has contact with, and regularly interacts with SOs and PDs throughout the state. So, if he has never heard of one ever being issued, it's a pretty safe bet that they basically aren't issued. Is it 100% certain? No. Nothing is. But that does not equate to "regurgitating the same none factual myths." If, the original poster wants to check it out for himself, he can call the Yuba County Sheriff's Office and ask them if they ever issue those permits. You're right. There's no harm in asking.

Originally Posted by MrClamperSir

I never read in his post he wanted to carry anywhere other than the county in which he works. He stated concern for the roads to and from and neighbors. Thus making my post about 90 day permit credible and IMO helpful.

Fair enough. I took him to mean that he wanted to be able to carry wherever, and he was wondering if he'd have a better chance of getting a permit if he applied in Yuba where he works, rather than Yolo where he lives. I may very well have misunderstood his post.

[Keith92555]

Originally Posted by okimreloaded

to the dude pushing people's buttons - I appreciate people in the world like you, because you're challenging much of what's said and I think it's a good thing. I don't think you're trying to be thin skinned - just trying to get the facts. i can appreciate that.

I mean if I have to show good cause to carry in yolo county then I have no more good cause than anyone else. I haven't been robbed, I haven't been beaten, my wife has not been raped - but whose to say those things wouldn't or couldn't happen. hence the need to carry.

So what's a guy to do?

my question is basically - if I plan to move to Yuba - then is it better to wait until I move to apply or should I apply now and risk the denial? Just how bad is a denial?

Sorry to crap on your thread. The guy just spreads FUD on multiple forums. I like to discuss the issues with other like minded individuals and it grinds my gears when someone thinks they know it all and will question everything posted (trust-I do not know it all). As if we are statisticians and have stats and studies to quote to satisfy HIS standard of proof.

Anyways, you may just be an average Joe, but if you are creative you may just be able to come up with GC. You don't have to be a victim of violent crime or have a RO to get a permit. You must come up with an statement of criteria that puts you at greater risk than the general public. You must make the statement in a way that highlights the risk. If crafted correctly, you may just get your point across and get approved.

If you plan to move to Yuba, you will then have to wait the requisite time to establish residence. It is your call if you want to try Yolo now or wait for Yuba. A denial in Yolo may affect your application in Yuba and could lead to denial in both, depending on the reason for denial. It's your call.

Good luck,

Keith